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Neat looking anomaly. I thought damage at first but as crisp and defined as some edges are it's making me doubt it's damage. Looks like the copper plating came away in areas, like something (grease or dust?) was on the coin before being plated. At some point, it fell or chipped away.
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Technically speaking, as an Engineer; the outer layer separating from the core would technically be delamination. Just not the traditional sort.
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@kimkendall and the others: Quote: separating from the core would technically be delamination. Just not the traditional sort. kim you are wright technically of the definition and variations of the definition effects. In this case we have (I can not put the XRF to see exact) an alloy or metal was past over. From the original photo here reposted I choice the most elective part. We see that metal been over the copper plating If was a lamination the core must be see like what we say incuse. Mean under level with the Cu. In this case the white-silver metal we see is raised over the Cu level. this metal must be a very low melting point metal because no traces of Cu heat on borders of the traces. Hope this theory is the most close of the history of this penny. 
Edited by silviosi 03/24/2021 01:31 am
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Find the weakest/thinnest edge of the affected area, with the a finger nail try to move the smallest particle of the area in question. If it peels off and there is copper under it, it was added to the coin (weight would also be higher if something was added to the coin). If the plating rubs off and you see gray, it is a plating issue. Could I suggest an area? On the outside rim area above the 'F' on 'OF'. That would not damage the faces of the coin that way.
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Doesn't a laminated coin need heat and tons of pressure as opposed to plaiting which requires electricity and chemicals? Far from my area just thinking out loud. John1 
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At this point I donīt know what to think about the damage on the coin
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Thanks everyone. Well when I get home Sunday hopefully my new scale will be there. The one I have jumped off table and broke itself .  I'll pick at it / the area you suggest coop.
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I did use fingernail at area above OF. That part did peel away. It looked like the copper clad was folded up and over. On underside of flakes was copper Couldn't get a clear picture to show. I did scratched the whole area pretty aggressive and nothing came off. Took pictures to compare. Couldn't get same lighting so new pictures are not as clear. Weight was 2.50-8 times out of ten 2 times came up at 2.49. Red arrows are original pictures. Thanks everyone for your time and input.     
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Hey Rob, got to this thread late but I posted about a 2006 D 1c a short while back with a similar anomaly and Mike Diamond did respond. I don't think my photos helped Mike make a proper determination as I feel these are mint errors but that's just my opinion. http://goccf.com/t/390704#3343324
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All ours look similar happening. It's weird how it looks like but it can't be laminate peeling. Looks like where it is missing copper clad some of the edges are curled up showing the zinc (color ?) I soaked it in acetone in the beginning and it didn't affect it. The little peace's I scratch off above OF like I said was copper on one side. It's weird that it's on top of coin also like it's paint but I let it soak again and fingernail didn't touch it still. It'd be cool maybe send the coin to Mike and let him figure it out. Then maybe yes/no 
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@Rob0411. If you do not care about the value, or considerate that is not a keeper, you can do a small semi destructive test. You need a dilute HCl hydrochloric acid and with a tooth wood pick put a small drop on the white trace. Do not worry about the copper because do not react with this acid. If the trace have Cu under will show up. If not are mean that trace is direct proportional with the core of the coin. Zinc in presence of this acid will have a gas hydrogen evaporate and at the surface will create effervescences. Here the reaction: Zn + HCl = 2ZnCl2 + H2 explanation from the balancing acids, metals reactions: quote: Quote: Balancing Strategies: When we add zinc to hydrochloric acid we end up with zinc chloride, a salt, and hydrogen gas. If not you need a good XRF 15Watt, 0.3mA with multilayer software and capability to adjust the penetration ray. Good luck and let us to know the result. Me I will go for destructive test which will let a small hole of.001mm
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Could this have been done by chemicals?
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Theoretical yes. It is possible to have liquid metal solutions, but to apply on different surfaces you need a well equip lab. Also you can clean for example a zinc penny of the Cu with Nitric acid HNO3 with out to damage the zinc core. Some of those sometimes I see on ebay with crazy prices by those "smarts counterfeiters".
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Silviosi Sounds like you really know your stuff about metals. Thank you for that idea but besides paint remover and acetone I have a couple bottles of pretty nice Bourbon. That word acid stuff scares me. Lol I think I'd hurt myself. I think sending the coin to (someone) is the best I can do.
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I prefers Vecchia Romana but a good Bourbon with a good cheese and nice entourage is a pleasure of the life.
If you are scare do not try. It is the safer way. Me sometimes I put the finger inside the solute acid and test (gustative test) to see if I have the wanted concentration. To commode guy to put the densimeter.
also pay attention of the vapors (gases) from acetone and paint remover (mineral alcohol) those are very, very cancerogenic.
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