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2020-D Mbr Quarter-What Caused Its Appearance?

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 Posted 04/03/2021  09:15 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add axenriq to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I only ask for your opinions as my last resort. By searching for my answer rather than going the easy route & asking the experts first, I tend to learn quite a bit along the way. But I have exhausted everything I could read and either it plain did not have any answer or the one provided was smack dab in the middle of the dreaded, grey area. So, here I am again turning to you guys. Any light anyone can shed on what may have caused this quarter to look the way it does would be surely appreciated. Hope the pics are ok. I took em at 2 different angles in order to display the diagonal lines on both sides.
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 Posted 04/03/2021  10:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here is a close up of the center area:
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Not seeing anything different so far?
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 Posted 04/03/2021  10:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NickG to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The only difference I see between the two coins is some environmental toning of both the obverse and reverse of the second coin.
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 Posted 04/03/2021  7:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add axenriq to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I appreciate the time you invested with your replies. And I'm sorry I didnt clarify sufficiently that all pics are of the same coin, just at diff angles in order to display the diagonal lines that appear on both the Rev. & Obv. Thats on me. Now that I am at it, I might as well ask a question that has been on my mind for a minute now. Why do some of the newer State & ATB qtrs appear to have a goldish color, apart from the obvious gold plated ones that have made their way into circulation? Like this 2020, for example. How does a clad qtr tone so quickly? isn't toning or the formation of patina a slower process that is completed over a longer period of time? Again, thank you for any time you invest with providing answers your experience can hand out. I'm sure you guys know a thing or two cuz you've certainly seen a thing or two.
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If you live in the east part of the country where a lot manufacturing is going on, the Sulfur content will tone the coins yellow. Especially the silver/gray colors coins.

The lines are called rolling lines. When the coin is BU you see these less, but they are still there. To prove that is what they are look at this off center cent:
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Note the unstruck area? You see them stronger there, but they do go away a bit after the strike. (On the struck area) So when the BU goes away, the rolling lines show up. Eventually there do wear off the tops of the devices. Not premium for these as they all are like that as the coin ages.
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There are a tonne of factours that can tone coins, environmental, chemical, heat, etc. People in general do not handle coins gently (most people don't care). The result is a mess of colours and tarnishing to the surface of coins. In numismatics, officially anything out of the norm and perfection is considered post mint damage, even if the toning is pleasing (What is cool to one person is trash to someone else). Such is life!

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Some toning is nice, other times it is a distraction:
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Fake toning, ruins a nice coin:
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Thanks again fellas. Again, I try to soak in what I can, especially anytime you guys lay down invaluable insight as you guys have here. Its truly appreciated
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We are not all "guys" and "fellas" here, fyi.

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ABSOLUTELY MY BAD!! From a father of only two children, both daughters, and a grandfather of one grandchild, a granddaughter, whom Ive always repeatedly told them that there is nothing that they cannot do & I would support them however the chose, I certainly inserted foot into mouth beautifully. My deepest apologies. #128542;
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It's fine really. The numismatic field is very heavily male dominated, so I'm growing used to it. I like to from time to time remind "the guys" here that there's a lady present, so it's all good. Thank you for apologising, that was very nice of you!

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merclover, glad you are here to share your knowledge. your name is leslie right?
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