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"Steele Box" Sussex, NJ Bank Notes

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 Posted 04/04/2021  09:36 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add mforder to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hello all,

I am new here as well. I hope that this is the right thing to do, create a new topic.

I have a few notes from the Sussex Bank, NJ. I am interested in finding out more about them. In my introduction to the Coin Forums I talk about a box that I rescued from being simply lost forever. I call it the "Steele Box" which I named after the person that saved all of the paperwork back in the late 1800's, see my intro for more information.

hfjacinto has already posted a few of these to my intro and I would like to know more about them. I already now know some are common. The things I do not know are...

When they were used?
Were the signed / used notes kept?
Is a stack that is still pinned together more desirable?
Are the uncut sheets better left alone?
Anything other information would be helpful too.
Please excuse the colors of the photo's they are a little off due to the lighting in the room.

Thanks,

---Mark






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04/04/2021 09:52 am
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 Posted 04/04/2021  09:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add WheatBack to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
One word: Wow!

This is an amazing hoard of notes. Most were used prior to the Civil War. Many were from 1840s up to the early 1860s.

Im a purest and prefer to leave sheets intact. Lots of dealers will cut them down and sell individually. (more money that way). I prefer to keep history original.

I've never seen an original banded pack of obsoletes. That's something else I'd leave as is.

I'd love to own the pack and some sheets. Get some more posts around here and I'd certainly be interested if you ever thought about selling.

Congrats on a cool find!
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 Posted 04/04/2021  10:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hfjacinto to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Mark,

WOW



I live close by, if you ever want to show those, I would love to see them.

I agree with Wheat Back, they should not be broken up. Especially the bundle.

Ok a little about the notes. From 1700 to 1862 banks were allowed to print there own notes. Most notes were printed at 2-3 bank printers (usually American Banknote Company (ABC) or National BankNote Company (NBC)).

The notes were printed and then signed when they were ready to be used. So for example you went to Sussex Bank, made a deposit in Specie (coin) and when you wanted to take out money you could have been given a bank note which you could spend. BUT since the note was only as good as the reputation of the bank, it was either worth full value or a % of its written value. I don't specifically about the Sussex Bank, but considering the large amount of remainders, they might have printed a lot of notes (which may mean that they weren't worth full value).

And since the only way to get the specie back was to present the note to the bank in which it was canceled, the farther away from the bank the less the note was generally worth.

All of this stopped when the federal government started taxing the bank notes and they eventually died out. Replaced with US National Currency which was backed by the full faith of the US Government.

The notes you have are collectible but have no real monetary value. The below is still worth $20, I can go to a bank (which wouldn't be smart) and deposit it and get $20.



Even with the advent of small notes, the US Currency was still around until all charters where canceled in the 1930's.



As to "broken bank" notes what you showed, many banks also issued those (these are mine)





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 Posted 04/04/2021  10:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hfjacinto to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Mark,

I tried to email you but your preference is not to receive email.
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Hi Wheatback & hfjacinto,

Thanks for the responses! WOW, I didn't expect a "WOW" from folks. I'm glad I posted them. Thank you for all of the great information. I had no clue at all as to how those notes were used. Now I know. I am also glad the scissors did not make it to the sheets. To me they are too beautiful to cut up. Sad to say that I did not take all of what was being thrown out. People just don't see the value in retain things like this. I can tell you for certain that there were a lot more that were destroyed. I saw them with my own eyes and I took what I thought was enough to preserve them so that they were not lost forever.

I have other banking related materials and a bunch of checks as well. Some with the Revenue Stamp and others without. I am not sure if the coin forum would want me to or allow me to post a topic under the General Numismatic Discussion Forums to shows the folks what's in the box. The item that I would post there would be banking related specifically.

As for my email setting I didn't realize that I set it up that way. I would change it if I knew how.I don't see an option to do that. I'll keep looking. I'd also be happy to show anyone that wants to see them and anything else. I'd just have to fit the time in somewhere.

By the way the notes you posted hfjacinto are incredible. I am amazed at the details and artwork that is on them. There is one that is very similar to two notes that my wife picked up for me while working at the bank and yes she paid $20 each for them . It's $20 from Norwalk, I have two from New York and one has a printing error, the arched date left of Jackson portrait hits something else that was printed in that area. Probably not a big deal though. I will put up a different post with this bills and a few other errors that I have including a weird $50 dollar bill from I think 1985.

Thanks,

---Mark
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04/04/2021 11:11 am
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check out these two websites---vern potter and denly's of boston---
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There's a post your checks thread if you want to post your checks there. Would love to see!

http://goccf.com/t/178681

I'd also like to see your railroad timetables.

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To get emails go your profile> tools > manage your profile and select Yes to receive emails

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Thanks hfjacinto, I changed it so it allows for emails. Thank you again!
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The OP's Sussex Bank Obsoletes are considered Remainders. The sheets regularly sell for around $150, and individual notes sell for $25 - $75. The overwhelming majority of Sussex Obsoletes are unsigned/unissued Remainders.
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great notes--wonder what was thrown out---
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