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1943 P War Nickel With Issues

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 Posted 04/04/2021  4:21 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Kcm to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I failed in my effort to trace this to a catalogued coin. Clearly, there is doubling on the date and bust. The date is especially intriguing to this novice, It appears so un-like MD.

There's also a tiny, yet intriguing anomaly on J's shoulder/back that appears quite unlike PSD to this novice. Its size and position are most easily discerned using the image showing bust doubling.

Any expert know-how available to me?

Kevin

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 Posted 04/04/2021  5:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm seeing a normal coin with some planchet streaking issues. (like the wood design on cents) You are looking to close to find something, that is not there. Keep in mind circulation flattening happens with the tops of the devices are worn off. Thus making the devices appear wider, but they were not wider then the coin was freshly struck. Not sure what image #5 is showing? If it is incuse, then it is damage to the coin. A good doubled die should be able to be seen at a distance:
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The above image is the 1939 DDO-001

The below images are of 1939 DDO-002 in its different die states. Note the devices that are enlarged. We don't to see the molecules moving on them, just look for the spread on the affected devices. It should be seen, rather than searched for. A doubled die should announce it presence. Not enlarging something to a digit size. They should jump right out at you. So when you do find one, it will leave not question in your mind, that this is a doubled die.
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1939 DDO-001:
When they get harder to find, sometimes you need side by sides to see them:
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1939 DDR-001
Note how easy the true DDR and normal image stands out?
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So try using these to see what you do have. Compare it with a normal coin. The devices the same size, then you know that it is just from a normal die. If you can't make SBS on your computer. With two images. Crop the top one to had less space on the bottom of the with the top area to put a description.
On the second image,do the opposite with the extra space below. That way you can post the two images in the same order on the forum and then we will see the two above/below each other, showing the differences. The best way to size images is to crop them image to the same outside border area. The outside edges of the item you are comparing. Then make them both the same exact size. That way when they are posted on the thread, the are above and below each other to make them easier to compare with. If you use more than two images, crop like I mentioned before, but crop the center ones without any space above and below. You can use this for 3/4 images, but if they get to stacked up, it is hard to see all of them at the same time.
If you are not sure what your looking for on a coin, go to the web sites with the attributions and see what you are looking for on a DDO / DDR/RPM. That way you will know, what to look for. If you don't do this, then you are like a person going on a trip, and not using a map, to get to his/her destination. Some will take there stash of coins and sort them out and then look up on the sites, what is listed for that year/mint/denomination. It adds a purpose for what to look for. This will make your finds a lot more of a celebration, when you know what it is, that you have found. Just not just speaking to you, but to all. That is why we are here, to help each other find something meaning full in our searches. Sorry I went so far on this, but sometimes, it just has to be said.

CoopHome: I see on the sites dies to match up to, would it be beneficial to just study them, before I search my coins?

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 Posted 04/05/2021  10:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kcm to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@Stafff: Thank you for the edit. I'll strive to make such unnecessary in future.

@coop:
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If you can't make SBS on your computer.


I Googled SBS. It returned:
Acronym Definition
SBS Styrene-Butadiene-Styrene
SBS Short Bowel Syndrome
SBS Siemens Business Services
SBS Seoul Broadcasting System
130 more rows

I'm torn between the first two with a slight inclination not to try the second on my computer.

Without question, you are a highly skilled visual educator in the field of numismatics. I know more than I did before attending to your post. Still, I was not clueless in my entirety before reading your thoughtful treatise.

I've actually become somewhat adept at distinguishing forms of doubling on coin devices. I have a number of coins struck by doubled dies. I ran few past Paul Hanan (CONECA), Rick Snow, and NGC.

My "somewhat" adeptness prompted me not to approach the term "doubled die" in my post. My short time on CCF has taught me to keep my own counsel else court mockery. I'm going to ignore what I've been taught and say what I see. I think this is a 1943/3. Will @coop consider such possibility? What do others think? (I've never heard of one, either!)

More images, perhaps? I thought five was overdoing.

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SBS is my short cut for side by sides. I use these to identify spread on devices. I didn't gather you thought about 3/2 on the date. I'll add more information when I get back on my computer. Using my phone now.
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 Posted 04/05/2021  11:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kcm to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks @coop, but I know what a 1943/2 looks like. It doesn't look at all like this coin.

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 Posted 04/05/2021  1:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Correct. But for others I will include it in this thread:
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 Posted 04/05/2021  1:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kcm to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Teachers! Ya gotta love 'em -- and by God I do.
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