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Since I wont be including these in my book, I figured you guys might enjoy something new to look for whenever you are digging through your modern Canadian small cent collection. 2008 Full "I" in "ELIZABETH" on the Obverse. Fairly Common as it is the normal design intended for circulation.  2008 Partial "I" in "ELIZABETH" on the Obverse. One of the working punches was subject to a broken post on the "I" before, or during the hubbing process which resulted in a missing serif. Fairly common, I averaged about 2 or 3 per roll.  2008 Missing Top Serifs of the "I" in "ELIZABETH" on the Obverse. Again, this was due to a broken working punch that was subject to both top posts (serifs) on the "I" being broken off before, or during the hubbing process that created the working dies. I managed to find two examples of this after searching 20 rolls of 2008 small cents, so in my opinion it is not overly common but still manageable.  Finding and discovering modern Canadian doubled die varieties since 2018. 2023 Recent Publications: Modern Canadian Doubled Die Varieties - First Edition PDF & Paperback https://www.mcddv.ca (website currently down for maintenance as of 08/01/2024) Edited by JohnWayne007
04/11/2021 11:35 pm
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I also notice that the "L" and "A" are effected. Top left on the "L", bottom left on the "A".
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Loonielewy, yes, on some examples I have found the "R" in Regina is missing its bottom left serif, but not always.
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Good eye to catch those!
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My guess would be a grease clogged die
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I agree with SamCoin here as being a die clog.
Look at the "A" in the last photo.
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SamCoin and Hounddog Bill, Since writing this post I managed to get one full roll of each and still counting.I could be wrong, but I don't think a Grease Filled Die would be consistent enough to strike that many identical coins IMO. Finding and discovering modern Canadian doubled die varieties since 2018. 2023 Recent Publications: Modern Canadian Doubled Die Varieties - First Edition PDF & Paperback https://www.mcddv.ca (website currently down for maintenance as of 08/01/2024) |
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Your probably right JohnWayne007 with that many, I was going by the last picture it must be damage on the bottom left stand on the "A" and the bottom of the "E" also.
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Hounddog Bill,
When I was looking through them my first thought was the same, until I repeatedly found others that were identical.
The last photo might throw some collectors off by the beads, if you look at the beads and the top left of the "E" it was subject to a small amount of grease being plugged up in the die, however I found identical examples where the grease cleared up completely and only showed the damaged missing serifs of some of the letters. The only letter that was greatly impacted by the damage was the "I" in Elizabeth so I focused more on that letter when writing the post.
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Took out my notes on 2008 penny and one thing I had notice then is that:
All pennies which has a broken serif had a complete earring while those with complete serif is missing the top bead of the earring.
Thus concluding that this must have been the replacement die introducing a variety. It was disregarded as an error due plugged die.
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04/29/2021 4:01 pm
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Got a small penny horde to check from a friend and thanks to JohnWayne007's work I believe I have all 3 finally!  |
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coinman91, it matches the 3rd photo I posted  When you are searching through the 2008 cents don't forget to look for the DDR as well, reference for the doubled die reverse can be found here http://goccf.com/t/404466I would have to examine the DDR I have again as I don't recall if it is missing serifs on the obverse legends or not, will update when I take a look. Finding and discovering modern Canadian doubled die varieties since 2018. 2023 Recent Publications: Modern Canadian Doubled Die Varieties - First Edition PDF & Paperback https://www.mcddv.ca (website currently down for maintenance as of 08/01/2024) Edited by JohnWayne007
10/30/2021 11:57 pm
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Put away about 10 new mint cases of the 2008 pennies, one day I will have to check the roll end coins. Nice varieties!!!
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Thanks John! Keep me posted.
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I'm confused about this one. For the die to not strike the whole letter would mean part of the die was filled in by something.
Broken post just being like a die chip would it make it a variety?
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10/31/2021 1:38 pm
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Wrekkdd,
The Working Punch (raised design) is hubbed against a blank die to create the working die (incused/suken design).
So if there is a raised serif or design detail on the working punch that has been broken off before being hubbed to create the working die that strikes the coins, you will end up with a coin that is missing parts or all of the serifs since those serifs would not have been present during the hubbing process (photo 2 and 3 for example).
Edit: To further explain, the mint typically uses more than one working punch to create all the working dies that are needed to strike the coins.
So for example, if you have 3 working punches that were subject to different variations of broken details or devices like below
- #1 Working Punch (raised deisgn, normal)
- #2 Working Punch (raised design, missing one serif on the letter "I" from Regina)
- #3 Working Punch (raised deisgn, missing all top serifs on the letter "I" from Regina)
Those working punches were then hubbed against blank dies to create the working dies, you would end up with 3 working dies that show 3 different varieties.
- #1 Working Die with the normal intended design.
- #2 Working Die with the design missing a serif on the "I" in Regina.
- #3 Working Die with the design missing all top serifs of the "I" in Regina.
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10/31/2021 4:04 pm
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