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 Posted 12/27/2008  6:31 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Podoprigora to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
http://cgi.ebay.com/1909-S-VDB-Linc...on_W0QQitemZ160306724293QQihZ006QQcategoryZ39456QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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 Posted 12/27/2008  6:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add manila galleon trade to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
looks authentic, but could it be altered S?
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 Posted 12/27/2008  6:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ceaton to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I wouldn't touch it, but that's just me. Looks a lil fishy.
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 Posted 12/27/2008  7:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadThad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like a fake to me, the MM doesn't look right. People are nuts for bidding it up with NO RETURN policy. Nothing like paying $1000 only to discover you've been had. Buying a raw key date, especially the S VDB, over the internet is for THE STUPID.
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 Posted 12/27/2008  7:25 pm  Show Profile   Check BH1964's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BH1964 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Pay through PayPal with a credit card if you're bidding. It's a $2K coin that should be TPG if it's real.
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 Posted 12/27/2008  7:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KurtS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Now that's interesting...and not in a good way.
Of course, that's my opinion, but compare this coin to the 4 actual 09-S VDB dies:

Real-Or-Fake?

In this case, the mint mark need not be scrutinized (despite being suspect too). Compare the shape and spacing of numerals in the date of the ebay coin to the 4 dies above.

Real-Or-Fake?

Someone's going to get taken (imo)
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 Posted 12/27/2008  7:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Metalman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This coin would need very good large pictures for me to bid on it , if it has any of the markers to show its a legit coin that would need to be emphasised in the photo's the mint mark needs a very good large picture to be authenticated .

There is no way I would bid on this coin .

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 Posted 12/27/2008  7:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Podoprigora to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
look at the digit "1" looks fake already
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 Posted 12/27/2008  8:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add littleboy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
definitely fake
-numerals arent the right style
-not the correct obverse hub for the year
-mint mark is not of the right style
-VDB looks choppy which is almost impossible near the rim if the rest of the surface is clear

it looks like a 1950s coin with the date changed and vdb added
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 Posted 12/27/2008  9:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KurtS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Comparing the date area side-by-side, the differences are dramatic:

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 Posted 12/27/2008  9:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add manila galleon trade to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
very interesting
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 Posted 12/27/2008  9:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Podoprigora to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Kurts what book is that, looks nice . is it good for lincolns
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 Posted 12/27/2008  10:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KurtS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
All I have is that reference pic, which I believe came from a ANA article.
Whatever the source, 4 obverse dies are confirmed elsewhere, and I used this guide to verify my 1909-S VDB (I took a risk and bought one raw).
I can recommend David Lange's "Complete Guide to Lincoln Cents". I'm sure many other Lincoln collectors with more expertise can recommend other books.
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 Posted 12/28/2008  12:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ceaton to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Welp, someone just lost $948. Let this be a good lesson to all. Even the VDB looks a bit fishy to me but the date is definitely bad.
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 Posted 12/28/2008  02:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Josh to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with KurtS on the authenticity of the coin. It's unfortunate that someone was deceived by this. Now they'll probably lose another $30 on TPG but at least they'll know they got took and may be able to do something about it.
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 Posted 12/28/2008  03:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add copper nickel daddy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very first glance I thought the numbers were wrong, especially the "1" and the second 9.
"A fool and his money......."
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