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Hello! Picked up this nice specimen, I believe Archaz had posted something similar several months ago? Weighs 10.7 grams and does appear to be made of mostly silver. I found a similar example in the Heritage archives, but the price was several times higher than Krause lists it at. Opinions?     Edited by Numismat
12/29/2008 3:00 pm
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Nice! I believe the F3 monogram refers to Frederick III of unified Denmark-Norway. Given the obverse with the lion, I wonder if this was an issue specific to Norway?  I need more info on this period.  |
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Portugal
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Very nice coin.Congratulations.
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United States
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--in DOMINUS? I saw that too, and wondered if it might be shoulders on the punches used to strike the letters in the die. |
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Canada
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Yeah, I think it's Denmark also - note it says "Dansk" on the back, which is Danish for "Danish".
Does that make sense?
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Very nice I also read Denmark
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Yea, Denmark and Norway were more or less unified, but these are actually listed as Norwegian. The doubling is something I see in every picture of this type I could find via Google, which is not many at all! =O
I don't know much about the striking process at that time and place, so no ideas as to why that is.
Thanks guys!
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Denmark
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Very nice indeed.
And it is considered Norwegian.
I had to look it up in the BIG books.
H. H. Schou description of Danish and Norwegian coins and Holger Hede Denmark and Norway's coins.
You might want to have an expert to look at this coin.
The picture in Holger Hede don't match your coin in the way that your coin is more crude? in its details.
Holger Hede says that the II Marck 1651 is RR so it would be worth looking in to.
The weight should be around 11.136 gram.
Doubling is common in coins this old.
Good luck
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12/29/2008 11:11 pm
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Yep, these are always showing signs of being doubled. Yours looks much more like silver than my (possibly real or fake or a pattern) coin. Very nice coin. Mine is 10.4 grams and is much more worn than yours, so I think that the weight of your coin is in the right ball park.
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Norway
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Very nice! A Norwegian II Marck. Always a pleasure to see  The way to tell Norwegian coins from Danish for the same period is the lion. This sort of lion was only ever used in Norway. The legend "Danske" is not ment to indicate country of origin, rather to establish silver content. I notice bomndk called this coin "RR according to Holger Hede". This is incorrect. There are two variations of II Marck 1651 and this is by far the most common. Still, it is unusual and worth way more than its Krause valuation when you consider local auction results. |
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Hi Litotes I didn't say that Numismats 2 Marck was an RR I said that the only one I found was the RR I found in Hede. I also said "The picture in Holger Hede don't match your coin in the way that your coin is more crude? in its details". Perhaps "crude" is not the right word? Just out of curiosity. Can you tell me where this coin is described. I didn't find it anywhere. |
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If the proper weight is just over 11 grams, mine is a bit under at 10.7. However, if you notice the picture of the edge, one side (on the left) is thinner than the rest. Could that account for the 0.4 gram difference? I have an 8 Skilling from 1702 in a nice grade that is underweight possibly from debased silver content ( I ran tests). |
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Hi Litotes
I didn't say that Numismats 2 Marck was an RR
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Just out of curiosity. Can you tell me where this coin is described. I didn't find it anywhere. Hi I apologize for misquoting you, that was not my intention. I guess I read through the rest of the topic too hastily before replying. Both coins are described in "Norges Mynter 995-1992" a Norwegian publication. Also in "Norges Mynter 1976". I wouldn't expect many non-Norwegian collectors to have these. Some Danes might. I can add that the "RR" given the rare variation is also too pessimistic (or optimistic, dependent on your point of view) - the coin is listed as single R in my book and I know some who think it does not even deserve that. |
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