Ebay Seller Selling A 1964 'Sms' Mint Set? For $99.00? Can We Say Fraud?

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Dearborn Moderator United States 95200 Posts	Posted 04/28/2021 3:51 pm ebay item number:294009672247 From what I can find, there are only 12 known 64 SMS sets out there in the whole world and this 'guy' had 5? (has 2, sold 3) he claims it is an authentic 64 SMS set. But if you read the last line of 'his' description carefully it VERY misleading: ITS IN A GENUINE US MINT SET SMS SPECIAL MINT SET PLASTIC HOLDER. THANKS Yes maybe it is a genuine SMS plastic holder - one from 66 or 67 maybe! this guy has to be shut DOWN.. Collecting since 1972. Learning from then on "Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn." - Benjamin Franklin 7070 type set coin count: 51/76 Uncirculated American Silver Eagles My American Silver Eagle Proof Collection Sacagawea Dollars Innovation Dollars Eisenhower-Dollars Kennedy-Half Dollars Washington-Quarters Roosevelt-Dimes Buffalo-Nickels 1938-2005 Jefferson-Nickels Lincoln-Cents Report this Post to the Staff

Singer Valued Member United States 309 Posts	Posted 04/28/2021 5:25 pm Look at other listings - repackaging coins in "GENUINE US Government Cases". Nice gimmick. Modern Silver Proof Set lenses/inserts with circulated coin = "Silver investment". Caveat emptor. Report this Post to the Staff
Onedollarbillnut Pillar of the Community United States 745 Posts	Posted 04/28/2021 5:58 pm A 1964 sms would be in a flat pack like the 1965, not in the 1966 or 1967 hard case. This seller is a scam artist. Buyer beware. Tim Hughes Report this Post to the Staff
Pacificoin Pillar of the Community Canada 5394 Posts	Posted 04/28/2021 6:35 pm There were NO 1964 Flat pak SMS sets issued . The only 1964 SMS coins are from the EVA ADAMS ESTATE. She was director of the US Mint at the time . Most if not all of the known coins were later acquired by Lester Merkin and subsequently sold in a NY Stacks auction. So unless you were a relative of any of the above , good luck . There are NO 1964 SMS coins in the wild . This topic has been mentioned here on way too many occasions ! Edited by Pacificoin 04/28/2021 6:43 pm Report this Post to the Staff
Dearborn Moderator United States 95200 Posts	Posted 04/28/2021 7:12 pm hey Pacificoin, I know that, you know that, we here all (hopefully all) know that, what we are talking about is some jackarse selling them and trying to sell more of them. So please stop banging your head against a wall because this subject came up again. By the way - thanks for the history lesson - that stuff you posted was something I did not know. Take a look at the ebayer up above and look at what he is trying to sell as "mint issue coins in the hard packs. Collecting since 1972. Learning from then on "Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn." - Benjamin Franklin 7070 type set coin count: 51/76 Uncirculated American Silver Eagles My American Silver Eagle Proof Collection Sacagawea Dollars Innovation Dollars Eisenhower-Dollars Kennedy-Half Dollars Washington-Quarters Roosevelt-Dimes Buffalo-Nickels 1938-2005 Jefferson-Nickels Lincoln-Cents Edited by Dearborn 04/28/2021 7:14 pm Report this Post to the Staff
Coinfrog Bedrock of the Community United States 94367 Posts	Posted 04/28/2021 7:53 pm @Pacificoin - not everyone here is as familiar with this topic as you are. Report this Post to the Staff
Coinfrog Bedrock of the Community United States 94367 Posts	Posted 04/28/2021 8:03 pm Tried to report the item with no luck! Seller basically says "screw you". Report this Post to the Staff
T-BOP Rest in Peace United States 18456 Posts	Posted 04/28/2021 8:10 pm Yes very misleading . Report this Post to the Staff
Singer Valued Member United States 309 Posts	Posted 04/28/2021 8:38 pm All of his listings are clever misrepresentations. Report this Post to the Staff
Dearborn Moderator United States 95200 Posts	Posted 04/28/2021 8:58 pm Quote: All of his listings are clever misrepresentations. yes they are. and if you read some of the feedback he got.. WOW! one person was excited to get the 1964 'SMS' set... boy did he get ripped off I tried to report him as well. no luck. Maybe Bobby can pull a rabbit out of the hat on this guy! Collecting since 1972. Learning from then on "Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn." - Benjamin Franklin 7070 type set coin count: 51/76 Uncirculated American Silver Eagles My American Silver Eagle Proof Collection Sacagawea Dollars Innovation Dollars Eisenhower-Dollars Kennedy-Half Dollars Washington-Quarters Roosevelt-Dimes Buffalo-Nickels 1938-2005 Jefferson-Nickels Lincoln-Cents Report this Post to the Staff
Greasy Fingers Pillar of the Community United States 7008 Posts	Posted 04/29/2021 01:26 am Not bad...winner gets a bonus of an extra proof coin...... Report this Post to the Staff
John77 Pillar of the Community United States 2910 Posts	Posted 04/29/2021 03:29 am So irritating to see this garbage. CRH Nickeloholic. 1,600,000 nickels searched in eight years! Have found FOUR complete Jefferson sets! Report this Post to the Staff
jimbucks Pillar of the Community United States 4691 Posts	Posted 04/29/2021 04:22 am He says he is selling "1964 US Mint Coin Set in Genuine US Special Mint Set SMS Holder Silver Kennedy!" So, yes, he is selling a US mint coin set, and yes it is in a genuine mint set SMS holder. Misleading, yes. Fraud, probably not. Really not any worse than sellers selling "unsearched" rolls of coins in "original wrappers". This seller seems to like selling coins in govt holders in a thinly veiled attempt to trick a buyer into thinking the coins originally came in the holders. It's up to the buyers to do their due diligence and it helps if they are literate and know what they are buying. Edited by jimbucks 04/29/2021 04:40 am Report this Post to the Staff
829729742 Valued Member 108 Posts	Posted 04/29/2021 4:59 pm some guy is doing it again https://www.ebay.com/itm/294013400822 Report this Post to the Staff
John77 Pillar of the Community United States 2910 Posts	Posted 04/29/2021 6:16 pm If he were selling the coins at close to their actual value, most of us likely wouldn't have a problem. But this guy is likely turning close to a $70 profit with each and every transaction on this item. People like this give the hobby a very bad name. No bueno. CRH Nickeloholic. 1,600,000 nickels searched in eight years! Have found FOUR complete Jefferson sets! Report this Post to the Staff
jimbucks Pillar of the Community United States 4691 Posts	Posted 04/29/2021 7:00 pm Quote: People like this give the hobby a very bad name. So how about the TV coin guys who sell coins often at twice or more of what anyone could buy the same things for. Should they be banned? Report this Post to the Staff
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