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Magnus Maximus Pick Up- Should I Start A Usurper Collection?

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I just picked up a beautiful relatively rare Magnus Maximus AE2 Follis. Although he successfully negotiated in becoming the emperor of the Western Empire, I still consider him a usurper (killing Gratian) of the highest order. By pulling out most of the troops and leaving a power vacuum, he was also (IMHO) the deciding factor in the downfall of Roman Britain.
Obv: DN MAG MAXI-MVS PF AVG, pearl diademed, draped, cuirassed bust right
Rev: REPARATIO REIPVB, emperor holding Victory, raising turreted female
Mint: Arles (TCON)
Ref: RIC IX Arles 26a
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In any case, I digress. I am trying to figure out what to do with the usurpers. Presently, I just have them grouped in by year/era along with the emperors. Should I group them all together? What about the ones that were eventually recognized or began as a usurper (there are a lots of those). Anyone have a definitive list?
These are the other usurpers I have in my collection (Excluding the Gallic Empire Emperors):

Carausius
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Allectus
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Magnentius
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Procopius
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This seems like a fun wrinkle for your collection.


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What about the ones that were eventually recognized or began as a usurper


I think that it would be pretty cool to have two coins from these folks--one from their usurper days and one from their official days (to the extent that they issued coins during both periods).
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Nice coin and nice set! Say, that Procopius looks familiar!

Usurpers are a dangerous slippery slope - you're missing Clodius Albinus, Quietus and Macrianus, and then you're getting into some seriously expensive territory.

IIRC, only Magnus Maximus and Julian II issued coins first as usurpers, then as legitimate emperors. All the rest (Vitellius, Vespasian, Severus, Pupienus/Balbinus, Decius, Probus, Diocletian) were "usurper" only for a few weeks or months until the last guy was deposed. IIRC none of them have any coins certainly attributable to a period of usurpation.
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Interesting group!....

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I am trying to figure out what to do with the usurpers.

Maybe you could place them into small 'tug of war'Emperor groups? For instance your Magnus Maximus within a group of say...Gratian, Theodosius I, Valentinian II, and maybe even a Victor?...
Just a thought.....Whatever you decide it's a cool looking set!
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Steve, yes I still have that coin! Thank you once again. I do have a Clodius Albinus which was in a lot, but it turned out to be a fake (a very nice one). Seller let me keep it and gave me a discount.
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Palouche, I like your idea. Grouped together, they tell a great story. So let's take Magnetius for example.

Constans (I have)
Magnentius (I have)
Decentius (looking)-(brother of Magnentius elevated as Caesar or Augustus to oversee the defence of Gaul and the Rhine.
Nepotianus (not likely)
Constantius II (I have)
Vetranio (I have)

Taken from Encyclopedia Britannica:

"Magnentius was a pagan of German descent who had achieved distinction as a soldier before having himself proclaimed emperor on Jan. 18, 350, at Augustodunum (modern Autun, France). Immediately he engineered the murder of Constans (sole ruler in the West from 340 to 350) and assumed control of the western half of the empire. In June 350 he crushed Nepotianus, who had declared himself emperor at Rome. To win the support of the Roman Senate, still largely pagan, in 331 he revoked Constantine's prohibition of nocturnal sacrifices. His coinage, however, shows that he was still officially Christian.

His chief opponent was Constantius II, ruler of the Eastern Empire. Failing to win recognition from Constantius, Magnentius allied himself with the commander of the Danubian troops, Vetranio, who had proclaimed himself emperor on March 1, 350. This arrangement ended quickly with the abrupt overthrow of Vetranio by Constantius. In 351 Magnentius repulsed Constantius at Atrans, and advanced into the province of Pannonia Inferior. Constantius rallied and, on Sept. 28, 351, severely defeated Magnentius at the Battle of Mursa (modern Osijek, Croatia). He then invaded Italy, whereupon Magnentius fell back to Gaul and, to avoid capture, committed suicide.
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Grouped together, they tell a great story. So let's take Magnetius for example.

Nice! And makes the group history really interesting!.....
Would love to see a little gang photo?
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