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"Viminacium Sestertius" In Acsearch, 279 Hits But Never Call Sestertius.

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OK I once, and never again, called a Viminacium 15 gram Bull / Lion coin a Sestertius but never did again and got a lot of flack to take the listing down which I did instantly. Is there any school of thought that says Provincials can be accepted Sestertius Coins? And thus why do so many people call them this?
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 Posted 04/30/2021  03:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't have the book in front of me, but I believe that David Sear called them Sestertius in his book on provincial coinage.
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It's a common practice for Viminacium, isn't it? There must be some authoritative source. It always helps to tell a story when selling a coin. A paragraph explaining why the coin is or isn't a sestertius would keep the trolls quiet and give potential bidders a sense of ownership.
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Viminacium is the dated type, right? I've seen one recently (and have another somewhere in the misplaced parts of my collection), big chunky piece.

I'm not sure what the actual denomination is, if any; with provincials it's usually something about assaria, but this type isn't the usual provincial. Numista calls it a sestertius, so there's that.
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A quick glance at wiki
"Viminacium was the provincial capital of Moesia Superior
In the late spring of 293-294, Diocletian journeyed through his realm, and he re-organized Viminacium as the capital of the new province of Moesia Superior Margensis
He registered that the people wrote in Latin, as opposed to Greek in the southern provinces
Viminacium was the base camp of Legio VII Claudia, and hosted for some time the IIII Flavia Felix
It had a Roman amphitheatre with room for 12,000 people"

Since it was an official Roman Colony and straddled the eventual divide between the "two" Roman Empires
it would seem to make sense that the Latin speaking city dwellers would have used the term Sestertius
The rural populations may have spoken in Greek dialects
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I myself have no authority on this debate, but a quick search at past european auctions showed me that many knowledgeable dealers seem to have different approaches to this.

I can see many offered such coins as "AE(Size)" or "Local bronzes" and at least one dealer even called them ""Sesterce"" literally between quotes.

But definitely, a lot of reputed dealers describe them outrightly as sesterces, and they did so even with lighter specimens than the one you mention at 15 g.
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Let's assume that four Sestertius does actually equal a denarius in Rome as people state they did.

1. In Viminacium would 4 Viminacium local Sestertius equal a Roman official silver denarius?
2. In Rome would 4 Viminacium local Sestertius you brought into the city equal a Roman official silver denarius?
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