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Weight Variation Of An Imperial Sestertius

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 Posted 04/29/2021  8:38 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add DirtyHarry to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi,
the following Marcus Aurelius sestertii were minted with matching obverse and reverse dies.
However, one of them is remarkably lighter than the other.

Would you consider this to be some kind of an oddity or something usual at that time? Remembering of course, that both coins would share the same dies, mint and the same short production time span.

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 Posted 04/29/2021  9:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
On screen, the both look OK, to my eye.
but
I cannot dismiss the possibility with both obverse and reverse dies matching, that they are both fakes.
Checks are necessary looking for matches on fake data bases.

What are their (separate) provenances?

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I have seen a fake Claudius sestertius, only judged as fake because of low weight - approximately 18 grams, otherwise looks to be perfectly OK with close hand held examination.

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 Posted 04/29/2021  10:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DirtyHarry to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi!
The first one is mine. I got it two weeks ago from a friend and fellow collector far more experienced than me. It has been part of his personal collection for years and before that, it came from a renowned french auction house.
The picture taken with my phone is not great, though.

The second one belongs to the British Museum, it is displayed as item 1843,1024.488
(This one is also available on the OCRE database. Both great resources)
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 Posted 04/29/2021  11:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add FVRIVS RVFVS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think in this case there is no question about their authenticity
I have wondered about this same question myself although not about them being die matches to boot !
Several times I have acquired small groups of sestertii that by their very similar looking state of preservation very likely came from the same find
The weights usually were in a fairly narrow +-1 grams
This was true when the "mean" was 20 or 24 or 28 grams
My own theory is that it may have actually depended on the intended Roman audience
The Æ sestertius while impressive in size was only a token whose metal value didn't account for its economic prowess
The Roman money supply was essentially fed by the State making its payroll (military and civilian) and by the purchases of commodities and services used by the Army and the State
The VIP's almost certainly were paid in loftier denominations
I seriously doubt the 1% crowd soiled their hands very much with bronze coin
Their wine tabs alone might have been in the millions
(try carrying that around in bronze !)
If expenses were high or the mint operations low on enough raw materials to produce the necessary coins it would seem reasonable to skimp on weights of the bronze
A sestertius still being a sestertius and an As still an As
An eleven gram spread does seem somewhat outrageous
But one may have been intended for the elite "guards" payroll
and the other for some local contractors hired to maintain the military outhouses
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 Posted 04/30/2021  11:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DirtyHarry to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Fvrivs for your reply and interesting theory! I certainly didn't consider the possibility of such variances in weight to be intentional.
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