Coin Community Family of Web Sites Join Thousands of Coin, Bullion, & Money Collectors
Join Thousands of Coin, Bullion, & Money Collectors Royal Canadian Mint products, Canadian, Polish, American, and world coins and banknotes. Vancouvers #1 Coin and Paper Money Dealer Specializing in Modern Numismatics Coin, Banknote and Medal Collectors's Online Mall 300,000 items to help build your collection! Royal Estate Auctions - $1 Coin Auctions








Username:
Password:
Save Password
Forgot your Password?


This page may contain links that result in small commissions to keep this free site up and running.

Welcome Guest! Registering and/or logging in will remove the anchor (bottom) ads. It's Free!

What Is Going On With This 1988-D Roosevelt Dime?

To participate in the forum you must log in or register.
Author Previous TopicReplies: 13 / Views: 1,453Next Topic  
New Member

United States
22 Posts
 Posted 05/04/2021  9:51 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Arnbrhm to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I wasn't even hunting for this. I got it in some change. My guesses are PMD or some sort of delamination? Anyone care to chime in? Thanks!
What-Is-Going-On-With-This-1988-D-Roosevelt-Dime?
What-Is-Going-On-With-This-1988-D-Roosevelt-Dime?
What-Is-Going-On-With-This-1988-D-Roosevelt-Dime?
Pillar of the Community
Numisma's Avatar
United States
4963 Posts
 Posted 05/04/2021  10:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Numisma to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That actually looks like a partially missing clad layer. The clear lack of cladding, sharp details near the break, and low pressure in the middle are all promising signs.

I look forward to hearing from the experts.
Pillar of the Community
MisterT's Avatar
United States
2004 Posts
 Posted 05/04/2021  10:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MisterT to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice find! also the filled die reverse with what looks like a Cud. And I am just guessing that on the obverse, part of the layer split off after strike. I want to know more Too!
Pillar of the Community
Numisma's Avatar
United States
4963 Posts
 Posted 05/04/2021  10:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Numisma to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
MisterT, the reverse looks like that since the planchet was too thin there to achieve the striking pressure necessary. Another good reason to think the clad layer split off after rolling but before striking.
On further examination, it looks like another section (7:00-8:00) is on the verge of separating too.

Arnbrhm, can you tell us the weight?

Wonderful find.
Pillar of the Community
MisterT's Avatar
United States
2004 Posts
 Posted 05/04/2021  10:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MisterT to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Numisma, thank you for your explanation. While I understand the minting process fairly well, I often have a difficult time sleuthing what may have caused such things. So the missing part of the layer had split before strike since an after strike would have left a striated surface? What about the filled die reverse and Cud? Any possibility the missing layer could have been struck in there?
Pillar of the Community
Numisma's Avatar
United States
4963 Posts
 Posted 05/04/2021  11:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Numisma to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
So the missing part of the layer had split before strike since an after strike would have left a striated surface?

Bingo. If it split after strike, the reverse would look normal and the obverse portion would be striated and otherwise featureless. You can tell the copper was the surface exposed to the die since the design elements are struck on it.


Quote:
What about the filled die reverse and Cud? Any possibility the missing layer could have been struck in there?


There's no fill or Cud. Since that part of the clad layer was missing, the planchet is thinner in that area. That means there's less metal available to fill the die, i.e. the pressure is low, so the devices don't get struck up. It's basically the same reason that the side opposite a large Cud is weakly struck; the pressure is too low there since the same amount of metal is trying to fill a much larger space between the dies.
Pillar of the Community
Greasy Fingers's Avatar
United States
7059 Posts
 Posted 05/05/2021  12:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Greasy Fingers to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
upon first glance I thought the clad layer was removed due to PMD, but with Numisma pointing out the reverse (I swiped right past it) make me agree it's a true mint error...nice find
Pillar of the Community
MisterT's Avatar
United States
2004 Posts
 Posted 05/05/2021  01:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MisterT to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Numisma, thank you for the explanation and education. I would have totally mislabeled that reverse as filled die and a Cud.
Pillar of the Community
Numisma's Avatar
United States
4963 Posts
 Posted 05/05/2021  02:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Numisma to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You're very welcome! I like a good spatial reasoning puzzle.
New Member
United States
22 Posts
 Posted 05/05/2021  09:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Arnbrhm to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks everyone for the feedback!

Numisma, the weight came out to 2.213g
Bedrock of the Community
coop's Avatar
United States
62064 Posts
 Posted 05/05/2021  10:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Another clue that it was a pre-strike issue is that the motto devices are are the same size, (On both areas) not reduced or like a ghost image. So this was a defective planchet issue.
Note on the quarter below, you can see the same thing. The full strike on all devices, whether clad or missing clad. On a peeling clad the devices are not the same strength.
What-Is-Going-On-With-This-1988-D-Roosevelt-Dime?

CoopHome: How can you tell on a clad coin if the clad was missing before or after the strike?
Bedrock of the Community
coop's Avatar
United States
62064 Posts
 Posted 05/05/2021  10:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
To the left of the motto, it appears the cladding is struck on to that area, still attached. So possibly this coin will be normal in weight, or close to normal? Interesting.
What-Is-Going-On-With-This-1988-D-Roosevelt-Dime?
Edited by coop
05/05/2021 10:43 am
Pillar of the Community
Numisma's Avatar
United States
4963 Posts
 Posted 05/05/2021  10:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Numisma to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the explanation, Coop!


Quote:
To the left of the motto, it appears the cladding is struck on to that area, still attached. So possibly this coin will be normal in weight? Interesting.


Good call. That seems more likely than partially detached cladding in that area. The weight Arnbrhm gave seems consistent with that.
Bedrock of the Community
coop's Avatar
United States
62064 Posts
 Posted 05/05/2021  10:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
At first glance it looked like glue, but you can usually see through glue.
  Previous TopicReplies: 13 / Views: 1,453Next Topic  

To participate in the forum you must log in or register.



    




Disclaimer: While a tremendous amount of effort goes into ensuring the accuracy of the information contained in this site, Coin Community assumes no liability for errors. Copyright 2005 - 2026 Coin Community Family- all rights reserved worldwide. Use of any images or content on this website without prior written permission of Coin Community or the original lender is strictly prohibited.
Contact Us  |  Advertise Here  |  Privacy Policy / Terms of Use

Coin Community Forum © 2005 - 2026 Coin Community Forums
It took 0.3 seconds to rattle this change. Forums