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8 Reales Charles III Pendant Shaped

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 Posted 05/12/2021  05:51 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Gasp to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hello collectors!
It's been a while, I hope you're all good :)

I'd like to bring to your attention this curious 8 reales minted under Charles III, possibly Mexico, 1776 (last number is not very visible) shaped into a pendant. It should come from a shipwreck, but the previous owner couldn't confirm it. I assumed it looking at the corrosion and black patina.

Have you ever seen a similar one before? I have my own theorises but can you give me your idea about the shape? What does it resemble for you?

Many thanks in advance

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 Posted 05/12/2021  11:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That's very interesting for sure.
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Very interesting item. I know its not, but it looks like an upside down jellyfish to me!
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It resembles a disaster to me!
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Looks sort of like a bomb with flames. Similar to a military branch of service insignia I think that was used by the French.
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That would be the Italian Carabinieri. Good association (I have used that myself on an even earlier coin ... but was wrong).
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It looks like a close relative to my Charles X pinback fabricated from a 5F.

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As with your charming pendant, it's puzzling why anyone would want to wear the image of a terrible king. April Fools Day maybe.

It could be a very crude heart coin.Sedwick has several pictures of good ones.

https://www.sedwickcoins.com/articles/hearts.htm
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 Posted 05/13/2021  07:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gasp to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
thanks for all your replies :D

However I disagree to those who say that this is a "disaster" or a modern artefact.

@thq got it right in my opinion: I believe it has been cut to resemble a flamed heart, not made to be worn, but as a votive offering to a saint in fulfilment of a vow or in gratitude or devotion.

In many churches in south Italy, especially around the coast (but also Spain and Portugal) it's still possible to find ex voto painting, or silver pendants, given by devoted sailors who managed to escape pirate attacks (Barbary pirates) or sea storms...


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The cracks look like the result of heavy clamping to do the reshaping.

Sedwick talks about counterfeit heart coins, but I don't think that is the case with this one. It's just too crude.
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Even though the shape is not so heart-like, I like your hypothesis
The crudeness might reflect that the sailor had limited tools to accomplish this (like WWI trench art executed on spent shells).

As for the flaming bomb hypothesis of @MisterT, perhaps this is the coin he referred to (also Italian in origin)

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