3 Unknow Tokens 2 Counterstamped] - T.o.r. And R.f.s. 1 Crown Over B

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Odincoin New Member United States 13 Posts	Posted 05/24/2021 10:58 pm Bought a large collection around 10 years ago and these are the only ones I can't seem to find. The first is the beehive jetton I know what the coin is but never seen one counterstamped T.O.R. The second one is a one sided R.F.S. 5 cent token can't seem to find that one in known counterstamped either. Now the third I believe is the oldest it is a crown over a cursive Letter B. All three pictured. Please any information will greatly help and be appreciated 🙏;. Report this Post to the Staff

John1 Moderator United States 56855 Posts	Posted 05/25/2021 04:15 am Have you looked here? http://tokencatalog.com/ John1 Report this Post to the Staff
Spence Moderator United States 34397 Posts	Posted 05/25/2021 06:54 am There is an attribution of your first piece (minus the T.O.R counterstrike) over on treasurenet.com, with the following description: Quote: Produced by Ludwig Chistian Laucer (of the Laucer Firm) mostly produced jettons in Weizengasse, Germany between 1842-1873. Beehive with swarm of bees - IETTON, FOR IMITATION Eagle Flying with olive branch in beak, on the ground crossed feather & olive spray. - IETON SIEG UND LOHN. "If you climb a good tree, you get a push." -----Ghanaian proverb "The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed." -----King Adz Report this Post to the Staff
tdziemia Pillar of the Community United States 7934 Posts	Posted 05/25/2021 08:17 am My guess on that third piece is an actual coin, since crowned monograms like that were pretty common in the late 18th/early 19th century Germanic/Scandinavian world. But I can't find it in my first look (could JB also be an option?). (Edit ... Looks like the monogram is incuse? Which makes the guess of a coin wrong, on second thought). Edited by tdziemia 05/25/2021 08:22 am Report this Post to the Staff
Odincoin New Member United States 13 Posts	Posted 05/25/2021 4:13 pm thanks but already knew it was a jetton need to figure out TOR counterstamp. As for the Crown over B it is of incuse design but cant tell how it was made? Token or coin? cant seem to find that either. These 3 have got me stumped but someone out there has to know something I'm hoping. Thanks for the input so far. Report this Post to the Staff
Spence Moderator United States 34397 Posts	Posted 05/25/2021 5:13 pm Ok yes the TOR is a so-called maverick and it is unlikely that it can be figured out. Might be someone's initials, but who knows? You could cross-post that one on our "post a counterstamp" thread here: https://goccf.com/t/126486 to get more visibility. "If you climb a good tree, you get a push." -----Ghanaian proverb "The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed." -----King Adz Report this Post to the Staff
ironhorse Valued Member Canada 363 Posts	Posted 05/25/2021 5:39 pm I am hard leaning toward the third piece being a button. When I first saw it , it was the first thought that came to my head, the tiny indent in the centre of the back tells me a shank broke off from there. With no other markings it it hard to pinpoint a country of manufacture, the crown style is part of the key...I dont know where it's from but the style is not a British one, so it would mostly likely be European and dating from about 1780s to about 1850s based on its design and construction. Good luck tracking down the rest...i enjoy the challenge of identifying unknown pieces, and yours didnt disappoint! Report this Post to the Staff
CAM68 New Member United Kingdom 15 Posts	Posted 05/27/2021 07:40 am The last one is possibly some kind of livery button. The "crown" is actually the coronet of a British Duke. The B probably indicates the dukedom - but there are several it could have been (eg Bedford, Beaufort, Buckingham). Report this Post to the Staff
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