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June 2021 - RCM Release

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 Posted 06/01/2021  9:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Alex A to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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We are definitely in a commemorative coins bull market right now. I'm wondering why.


Less supply (no coin shows, estate sales, LCS closed, etc.)
Precious metals prices increasing (inflation)
People have more time for collectibles

Personally I cannot wait to get to an actual coin show again!!!
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 Posted 06/02/2021  12:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add vonigohcr to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
June 2 and most of the June release is sold out on the RCM site.

Remaining available as of this morning are:
Pure gold (99.999%) - 1.125 oz - FV $350 - Canadian Wildlife Series #3: The Caribou - 34mm - Mintage 450 - $4,499.95
Set: 1oz Silver Twoonie + BRX $2 Banknote - 25th Anniversary of $2 Bill replacement - 38mm - Mintage 7,500 - $149.95

Of interest, the 1kg gold tiger is not showing up for me on the RCM site. While it shouldn't fly off the shelf at $105K, there are only 33 to be minted and I would assume that the small set of folks with that kind of disposable income would jump on this as they have in the past though maybe the jump from $84k (Last Year's 1kg lunar) is too much.

Possible additional interest, the two 1oz gold coins from May (10 cent 1936 dot and the Ramming Bighorn Sheep) are also still available. Is it possible that buyers are balking at the impact of a 1.8x bullion metal multiple for a proof coin when the price of the commodity has risen so much? June saw the launch of the third in the Canadian Wildlife Portrait 5-nines 1 1/8 oz gold coins. All three are identical in size and composition however the Cougar in 2019 was issued at $2,800 and sold out. Both 2020 and 2021 releases were priced at $4,500 and neither have sold out to date though to be fair, the mintage increased from 2019 to 2020 from 400 to 450. This is a 60% rise in price; Gold has been on a rollercoaster this year but the increase in the cost of bullion has not exceeded 50% between 2019 and 2021 and has often been quite a bit less.

Gold has always had a higher cost of entry than silver but the bullion multiples have always been lower... approx 1.6x at the 1oz size vs. Silver which has seen multiples of 4x-6x. I know at the lower price of silver, packaging etc. consumes a greater percentage of the "Cost of Goods Sold" but the high multiple has been what has convinced me to move away from Silver... I no longer buy silver from the RCM with the exception of maintaining my ongoing collection series (36mm SD, Silver Loon/$2 and certain Renewed series). I hope that the RCM does not move the cost of gold any higher (relative to bullion) as that will have me questioning any new NCLT from the RCM. On second thoughts... that may be reasonable as I may be able to afford to upgrade my 1945-1948 dollars.
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 Posted 06/02/2021  8:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MoneyPenney to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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With 6000 coins minted (I'm sure He received 2 or 3 hundred coins for the show) there is still a chance that there would be some left for the show. It doesn't hurt to watch the show and you never know you might get lucky.


As predicted, no hold backs for the silver incuse or any of the coins that were sold out online at TSC. The Solar System, Map Coin, and silver incuse were all mentioned on the show but were shown as sold out.

Again, Bromberg mentioned new releases are available a day before the Coin Show online and you need to go online to get one before they sell out. In other words, no hold back of coins.
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 Posted 06/02/2021  9:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jimper to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@MoneyPenney

You're right

Lucky I picked up 4 of them.
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Going back to deciphering how many of these coins were sold by the Mint vs. dealers. The best selling coins email just came through and if you notice, the Solar System (1250) was a higher selling coin then the incuse coin.

So not sure what formula they use, but I would guess it's % based for <1000 and quantity for over 1000 minted coins. So possibly the mint had 25-50% of the available solar coins and only 5-10% of the available incuse coins.
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 Posted 06/04/2021  2:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tender4848 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@jimper

Would you be willing to part with one.....

I forgot all about Canada Post, was up at 4am Tuesday morning and TSC was already sold out, I've purchased from Canada Post but with the 4am wakeup call I drew a blank....my bad

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Going back to deciphering how many of these coins were sold by the Mint vs. dealers. The best selling coins email just came through and if you notice, the Solar System (1250) was a higher selling coin then the incuse coin.

So not sure what formula they use, but I would guess it's % based for <1000 and quantity for over 1000 minted coins. So possibly the mint had 25-50% of the available solar coins and only 5-10% of the available incuse coins.


The only problem with your theory is the dealers sold out of the silver incuse even faster than the Mint. If the dealers had 90% of the coins, it would take more than a few minutes or hours to sell 5400 coins.

The mint took 4 days to sell out of the silver incuse coin. It was first available Monday night and sold out Thursday. With no limits it would be easy to sell thousands of them with MC members having access to them for 3 nights.

As for the solar system coin, dealers still have them in stock regardless of their allotment. Clearly demand is much higher for the silver incuse than the solar system coin.
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@Tender4848

I may put 3 of them on ebay later on.
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 Posted 06/05/2021  08:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rjlavoie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Anyone looking to get a Super Incuse SML 2021 Fine Silver Coin, I see a company, Sprott Money Collectibles, has 2 available for $149.95 on Amazon Canada. Free shipping.
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@rjlavoie

Just for fun I purchased the 2 and it still said only 2 left. I cancelled the order. My theory was correct. Seller is fishing to sell what inventory they have at a higher cost.
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The only problem with your theory is the dealers sold out of the silver incuse even faster than the Mint. If the dealers had 90% of the coins, it would take more than a few minutes or hours to sell 5400 coins.


I'm just going off of the movers and shakers email that puts the solar system as a higher selling coin at the Mint then the incuse coin. I'm not sure of that formula either, maybe it's based on total orders and not total quantity? For example if you get someone who orders 10 incuse coins and 2 people who order solar system coins, it counts the solar system as more popular? I would just assume selling out that fast you would see this coin as #1-#3 on that email.

I'm not disagreeing that there is more demand for the incuse coin, I'm just fairly amazed at how quickly it sold out, although I shouldn't be when you consider price point/fv/new tech. Also I'm impressed at how much Mario is making selling these things on ebay.
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 Posted 06/05/2021  3:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jimper to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Now reads 1 left for the past couple of hours. Hurry before it's gone.
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 Posted 06/06/2021  12:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add arianzo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm interested in the 1oz Silver Twoonie + BRX $2 Banknote set. The shipping is on October, maybe that's why is not sold out yet.
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@arianzo I'm interested in the 1oz Silver Twoonie + BRX $2 Banknote set. The shipping is on October, maybe that's why is not sold out yet.

You may be able to get one from a dealer. They are out, I received one from RCM already.
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You may be able to get one from a dealer. They are out, I received one from RCM already.


Really?

June-2021---RCM-Release

Even Colonial Acres has max 1 but in pre-order:

https://www.colonialacres.com/2021-...p/200803.htm
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