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1921 P Morgan Dollar With Bullseye Type Toning - Thoughts On Grading Ty

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I've been gone from this site for awhile and thought I would put this on and hopefully get some feedback on a grade. Just purchased this RAW from a reputable coin dealer who pulled this coin from a fresh untouched roll. I'll admit, I was stoked to get this coin. I know there's a few of you that don't really like toned coins (fair enough) but you just don't find this type with the Bulls-Eye Obverse very much anymore. Appreciate any and all comments on what this may grade out? Probably going to send to NGC. Ok, hope to hear some thoughts etc! Thanks!
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 Posted 06/26/2021  7:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well that's quite a remarkable coin!
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Wow! I would think that has a chance at MS66. Lovely coin.
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Just purchased this RAW from a reputable coin dealer who pulled this coin from a fresh untouched roll


I'll hold off on grading until we see in hand pics. And please please post in hand pics. This seller had been brought up several times on CCF. Sadly, for being a bit of a con artist. They list just about everything as being from a "fresh un touched roll" when a they are not. They're known for doctored coins and doctored pics.

Hope this one works out for you, looking forward to seeing in hand pics for this one.
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I agree with Ty2020b. Would really like to see the in-hand images. Hoping for the best!
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Ty2020b Posted - Today :1H 56M ago

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Just purchased this RAW from a reputable coin dealer who pulled this coin from a fresh untouched roll


I'll hold off on grading until we see in hand pics. And please please post in hand pics. This seller had been brought up several times on CCF. Sadly, for being a bit of a con artist. They list just about everything as being from a "fresh un touched roll" when a they are not. They're known for doctored coins and doctored pics.

Hope this one works out for you, looking forward to seeing in hand pics for this one.


Ok....Here is my attempt to post my own pics. Keep in mind that my camera never seems to get the luster that it should.



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 Posted 06/26/2021  10:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add halfamind to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Still a beauty in hand. Let us know how it grades out. The toning wouldn't be an issue for me.
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toning seems suspicious
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UNC details artificial toning. We have discussed this seller before and they juice pics and definitely have NOT pulled it out of an original roll. For those who do not know who the seller is, it is canyoncity_coin on ebay.

Here is a link to a similar encounter: http://goccf.com/t/396359&whichpage=1
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UNC Details AT The blue does not look natural.
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Right, and bullseye toning is normally from an album. Toning from an end coin in a bu roll typically doesn't bullseye tone.
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I would not call this dealer "reputable" but rather having a reputation as already noted above. Best of luck if submitting this to NGC.
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In hand pics are honestly better than I was expecting, but still show how the seller manipulated the the lighting, angle of the shot and doctored the pics to get the best possible shot of the coin, trying to cover as much as possible.

Agreed with the others, toning is off on this one, UNC details, QC at best and very possibly AT.

Thank you for the additional pics and definitely let us know how it goes if sent off for grading!
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wow. those in hand photos are quite different. I'm not familiar with the seller but your shot of the obverse looks like the luster has been removed. I'm sort of in the same camp as everyone on this one. cleaned and AT. UNC details
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Now this is interesting, concerning the same seller:
http://goccf.com/t/403083

I googled the quoted phrase and it came back to the same seller.
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