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 Posted 07/06/2021  09:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Slider23 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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1st - The "teeth" that run along the outside perimeter. (Yeah, I know they probably have a technical name, but I haven't learned that yet). The top coins parameter "teeth" are slightly larger than the two bottom coins. So I counted them. The top has only 177 teeth, the two bottom coins both have 183.

2nd - The wing on the left side: The top coin is the only coin where the wing touches the 2nd arrow. The mid and bottom coin aren't touching the 2nd arrow.

3rd - The feather on the right side, closest to the leafs; The top coin is the only one where the feather stops short. The other two coins show this feather going all the way to the leaves.

4th - The birds hand on the right side of the coin: On the mid and bottom he clearly has two twigs. On the top, there is clearly only one.

5th - The stem of the branch in the birds hand (Right side of the coin): The top coin, the branch is clearly below the arrows. The mid and bottom coin the branch is above the arrows.


The Trade dollar had a design change in 1875 that is called type 2 for both the obverse and reverse. A mixture of type 1 and type 2 can be found on the years 1875 and 1876. Pre 1875 is all type 1 and 1877 and after is all type 2. The differences you note are the difference between type 1 and type 2. The top coin is a 1875 S with a type 2 reverse. The bottom coin is 1875 CC type 1 reverse. The counterfeit has a mixture of type 1 and type 2 on the reverse that never happened at the mint.

The two twigs you note is a stem and a berry in the eagle's claw that was omitted in the type 2 design.

The teeth are called denticles. I was not aware that the number of denticles changed between type 1 and type 2, but I am sure that is why there is a difference.


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 Posted 07/06/2021  11:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TNG to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I did post my reasons in white text under my comment "Middle for me".
http://goccf.com/t/403369#3450071


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Lack of claw details. Weak and misshapen serifs. Head feathers {which would be white on actual bald eagle) are different and look more like lines. Surface of middle one does not look like genuine US silver coins.
Denticles look shorter and somewhat beaded rather than piano key-like.
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 Posted 07/06/2021  12:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gringo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Slider23, Thank you sincerely for taking time to reply to my questions. It appears as if I may not be completely losing my faculties just yet after all.
This was HUGELY helpful to me. (And I learned about denticles).... sounds a lot like dentures... which look a lot like teeth. :-)

This was fun and definitely educational for me. Thank You!!!
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