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Giovanni Paolo I (Gold) - Vatican - Collectibility ? & Grade

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Here comes something that probably originated from the Vatican mint itself.

It is probabaly at least 60 years old or maybe even much older.

I want to know what the grade and metal composition are this for this token.

Also, I want to know if it would be worth getting it slabbed.

The diameter is about 1 cm.


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Giovanni Paolo I translates to John Paul the 1st, which was a Pope active only 33 days, the shortest term in modern times.

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Medal collecting is a much smaller scale than coin collecting. I doubt that any collector would pay a premium for a slabbed medal, so I would say that it is probably a waste of money to pay for such a service.
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Where could I find out any pricing information for this coin both past and present?

I also need to know the metal mixtures of this object.

I've exhausted all my sources.
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I doubt that any collector would pay a premium for a slabbed medal, so I would say that it is probably a waste of money to pay for such a service.

While this may be true for random, generic medals without a collector following, it is absolutely not the case for all medals. Graded and encapsulated So-Called Dollar (SCD) medals, for example, generally bring more in the marketplace than do raw examples. Sweeping generalizations no longer apply in today's medal marketplace!

That said, I'm not sure how robust the market is for medals such as the one posted here.





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It is probably at least 60 years old or maybe even much older.

The maximum age of the piece is about 43 years.

The text "eletto santo padre nel 1978" on the case translates as "elected holy father in 1978" so it couldn't have been produced earlier than 1978 (about 43 years ago).


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@commems yes, you are right, some medals do fetch a premium. Most do not, so at the very least the market value needs to be established before any slabbing takes place.

I would do a search of ebay plus a European site like MA shops, if that has not been done already.
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Slabbing companies will only slab certain types of medals, from certain well-catalogued medal series. Papal/Vatican medals, due to their long and complex history, are not one of those series.

Here is the PCGS list of medals and tokens that they will accept for slabbing.

And here is the NGC list.

If you send PCGS something that's not on the list, they will bodybag it and return it to you with code 96 (No Service). NGC do the same, calling it "Ineligible Type".
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One (with different packaging) sold for 7.90 Euro. Seems to be made of brass. Not worth getting graded even if they would grade it.

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Giovann...174734864805
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...bodybag it and return it to you with code 96 (No Service)


I was surprised to see the TPG actually refunding the customer for a code 96. That's awfully nice of them since they could have made an argument otherwise with noone realistically being able to do anything about it.


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