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1811 One Penny Token

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Hi I have this 1811 birmingham and shieffield 1 penny token
but I can only find the ones that are dated at 1812.
could this coin be one of the first one made before 1812
if this is so, how much is the value of the coin

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It appears that The Copper Company made a number of tokens in 1811, so yours may be part of regular group vs. a one-off rarity. BUT, I do not know either way!

Hopefully, someone here has The Token Book by Paul Withers in their library and can give you a definitive answer. (I don't have a copy.)


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I don't have an answer to your question but I DO like your token.
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It's very cool for sure.



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A penny trade token.
https://www.galata.co.uk/tokens/bri...y-token-1811

Nice condition. It's better grade than the one for £24 so would be figuring a higher value. Am sure another member will have a better idea of value.
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Searched Google Images:
'1811 Sheffield One Penny Token'

The nearest I could get to token pictured was
identical type, but with 182 date, - auction item.

Cat No. Withers 172, gEF, estimate £35-55, lot unsold.
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Separate topics merged. Please create only one topic per coin, token, etc.
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to D1kT0ll!

This has been my field for 30+ years, so I don't mind pitching in here to say this is a good-looking example of a token that generally shows up with lots of dings, nicks, rim dents, field chatter, etc.

Using the Witherses' Big Green Book, the only feasible attribution is W161. Only two of the 11 varieties listed for the "Birmingham and Sheffield Copper Company" type are dated 1811, so that narrows it down to W160 and W161, and of those two, only the W161 has the top of the "N" in "Token" pointing to the first limb of the "A" in "Company."

Rarity is specified as "RR," which, per the front-of-the-book material in Withers, indicates "Very Rare" (Few specimens available).

Looks pretty much like an unmolested VF, but there are a couple of problem areas (chewiness in the Obv legend 10:00-1:00 and unevenly worn Rx rims and pellets) that would tend to depress the value a bit on the basis of that elusive "eye appeal" factor.

Overall, I'd expect to pay in the range of US$20-35 for it at retail. (I sound just like Antiques Roadshow, don't I? Sorry!)




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This is an attractive token and a variety that I'd not seen before. I took the liberty of enhancing our OP's pics ....
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