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S. Severus Denarius. Unlisted Or Immitation?

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 Posted 07/09/2021  4:37 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add pastpost to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Dear friends,
Need your professional help in identification the coin.
Is it unlisted coin of western mints or imitation.
Thanks in advance.

S.-Severus-Denarius.-Unlisted-Or-Immitation?
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 Posted 07/09/2021  5:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Lucky Cuss to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

The portrait seems a bit weak insofar as detail goes, but overall it doesn't much look like a modern imitation, and if not, then perhaps a fourree? If "barbarous" it seems rather well executed. In any case, would like to see the edge and have its size & weight.

Colligo ergo sum
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07/09/2021 5:12 pm
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 Posted 07/09/2021  5:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JohnConduitt to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It could be a mule.

Obverse Septimius Severus RIC 198 or 200, Rome AD206 http://numismatics.org/ocre/id/ric.4.ss.200

Reverse Caracalla RIC 151A, Rome AD206-210 http://numismatics.org/ocre/id/ric.4.crl.151A

Whether it's a counterfeit or not is a different question, but more likely as a mule. If it was, and there were many at the time, you might expect it to be a fourree.
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07/09/2021 5:33 pm
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 Posted 07/09/2021  9:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree: the possibility of a cast contemporary fourree, with a silver wash seems most likely to me, although I will not dismiss the possibility that it could be of much more modern manufacture.
The poorer metal underneath the silver wash is showing through in patches.
The 'flan crack' at the feet of Annona is very indistinct, and highly indicative of cast manufacture.
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 Posted 07/09/2021  10:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Finn235 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
My vote's on fouree. Not uncommon for Severan denarii, and weird hybrids sometimes result.
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 Posted 07/10/2021  05:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pastpost to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Many thanks for all replies. I also think that it is a cast fouree but not modern...
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It sure doesn't look like a fouree...if it was, I would really expect to see some base metal showing showing through that cut on the reverse. It looks like a typical low quality silver of the time, with porous surfaces.
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Looks like a period low grade silver imitative in decent style.
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 Posted 07/11/2021  09:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add travelcoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
...low quality silver of the time, with porous surfaces

I have a Severus Alexander of similar quality:

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I would say its looks like a fouree.

Also the silver wash looks like the silver wash the Antoninianus from a few years after the Severus dynasty had. Including some of the early large follis that had a silver wash.

Jay
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