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1793 Wreath 1c Vines And Bars Edge, Weight?'s

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 Posted 07/18/2021  9:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GrapeCollects to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I'm out to prove the impossible


No really? It's impossible that this is real. So if you're out to prove that it's real I hope you're on extremely good terms with the big man upstairs since it would take an act of god himself to make this genuine.


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it can't be cause copy isn't anywhere on it


If I'm reading this right, you don't think it can be a copy since there isn't one exactly like it. Could that perhaps be because it's an extremely poor quality one?


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for they have seen one and graded it SP68


Wait. You think this is a specimen cent?

Alright, do me a favor then. Make sure to send this under the rarities tier, since if it was it'd be worth well in excess of 6 figures. I figure, oh, let's say a million which would likely be low. The grading fees should come out to be around $10,500. Please report back on your success.
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 Posted 07/18/2021  9:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SlickCoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I should've been more clear, COPY stamped on it by law, my bad.
Thanks
That brings up my next question, look at the last sale price of said "one of a kind", does that change the price?
I know, what would one put down on something like this?
Thanks,,,,, in no way I'm I saying it's real, just got questions.
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07/18/2021 9:30 pm
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 Posted 07/18/2021  9:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KYCopperCoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well, I gonna go out on a limb and say that Israel is out of our jurisdiction on requirements? If they did that here they'd be knocking on your door.
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 Posted 07/18/2021  9:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SlickCoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well, it was ebay,,, and was sold as a replica.
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 Posted 07/18/2021  9:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JimmyD to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This OP posted the same story and pictures on the NGC site on June 10th and after about three pages of rambling,
I think he wore out his welcome. Now he is trying his nonsense on the CCF.
Just hope he doesn't post his 1976D Quarter, that was another three pager.
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 Posted 07/18/2021  9:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SlickCoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Lol, you obviously didn't see the 1978 D, proof to business, aka train wreck=10 pages, also the 1976 D Quarter?'s UNC graded ms68, well and it was W quarters, they took that thread and made it into a show, maybe you was right.
Thanks all
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07/18/2021 10:00 pm
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Proving the IMPROBABLE is one thing, there can be a lot to gain from this.
Proving the IMPOSSIBLE.. well, it's called this for a reason. It's a waste of time and resources.

Poorly done fake/counterfeit. Possibly a poor copy of a Ken Potter copy? .
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07/18/2021 10:20 pm
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Time for a thread lock mods.....
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 Posted 07/19/2021  08:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SlickCoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I like everyone's answers, this is a perfect example of getting more than one experts opinions, hints the posting on NGC.
Again all I'm just showing what I found, no need to lock anything.
You all are saying it's the worst, yeah with a die break on one of the leafs, also I can't find anything like it, yeah the worst lol, well I mean think about it was so bad it broke the die.
Thanks all
Retained Interior Die Break. It's when a piece of the die breaks off but then settles back into the die.,,,, is what I meant to say, thanks to the one who explained RIDB :)
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07/19/2021 09:42 am
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Was the seller from Israel Silvercross by any chance ? He sells lots of replicas.
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 Posted 07/20/2021  7:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SlickCoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes sir 52Raymo, that is the seller.

Super Smart you are :)

I know this whole thing is far fetched, just like all of my coins, well except my 1834 Half Dime which happens to be a LM3.

I'm just showing coins, well kinda on a mission :), but that doesn't mean anything, for I'm just simply showing and asking questions, oh well sometimes I might give my opinion, in no way shape or form does this mean I'm right & I'm probably wrong about a bunch of stuff, just simply my opinion.

I respect the knowledge you all have, I respect it even more knowing you all have earned it threw school and other methods of learning :) just my opinion.

I also just have questions, lol they might not follow the normal lines of questions, thou that's all it is, just a question.
Thanks again all :)
I was hoping to show you all what I thought might be a RIDB, without the replica stuff even thou I said it was bought as one.

Thanks all

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I'm happier knowing the seller supposedly sells a bunch of replicas, for it seemed it hadn't been checked, I mean the patina on the 2x2 was caked on to the cheap film type plastic.

Also the seller had the weight wrong, another sign it hadn't been removed from said 2x2, one would absolutely think if this person checked this coin, they would've at least noticed it wasn't a COPY, since it wasn't stamped on the back.

Ejection marks, crumbled rim, weight, the huge die break on the reverse, to me the biggest of them all, it don't match anything out there, or I mean that I can find.

Here's some pictures showing the ejection marks and the crumbled rim.
Thanks all :) have a great day.
PS in no way I'm I saying it's real, just have questions.

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 Posted 07/22/2021  11:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ejection marks would not be a good sign. The genuine coins were not struck in a close collar and should not have ejection marks.
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 Posted 07/22/2021  3:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Slider23 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Please send it in to PCGS or NGC and let us know how it turn out.
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 Posted 07/22/2021  7:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SlickCoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm not saying you all are wrong was just curious.
Why did Breen say,

Ejection: Single Planchet

Any failure of the feeding mechanism to eject the newly struck coin completely from the coining chamber will produce a mint error. Except for double profiles, these are major errors, some grotesque, all prized.

Along with,

22. Die breakage: Includes chips, single cracks, multiple cracks, split dies, bisecting cracks, rim crumbling, and major rim breaks. Accidents, one and all, not errors, though often collected by mint error specialists. An early complete listing is included in Die States for the individual varieties. Also see the keys to the various dates, which normally list the more bizarre or extreme die breaks.

Just kinda crazy, thanks all, no need to carry on.
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