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Is This A Long Die Chip? Or Would It Be A Cud?

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 Posted 08/12/2021  06:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wrekkdd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@my2cents, I believe it's a die gouge. http://goccf.com/t/353014


A very informative article by coop. I'm still not sure if it adds an value as an error. No one has really said it does. But I think it's my first decent find.
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 Posted 08/12/2021  08:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add okiecoiner to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I collect much older coins and am not up to speed on these newer "plated" coins that have all kinds of construction woes. The way that this anomaly passes through 2 separate beads, with different visual results, makes me feel that it is not a die scratch or gouge. To me, the coin is worth 1 cent and, if you want to keep it as something the closest that you have come for an error, then put it in a holder. Almost everything that you post has that "I hope it's worth a premium" wish imbedded in the post. There are error collectors that look for certain type legitimate errors, but you haven't got to one yet. Error collectors DON'T collect to make a profit; it's just the opposite.

I find this coin distracting. Your choice of a flat, blunt toothpick is correct. That's what I meant by fingers. As has been stated by others ... unless you can see the anomaly with your bare eyes, it probably isn't worth spending much time on. In the future, try to furnish all the information that we seek later in the post in the first post, such as "is it raised or incuse", "is it metal", "is it solid or does it give", etc. All of your threads take up a lot of space because of all the questions that arise. You DO NOT have to have a microscope or camera to detect errors. A good loupe for less than $20-25 is all you need if your eyes tell you that you need some magnification. If you get a microscope, you may end up with seeing an error/variety with every single look that you take, like Rocky. Too many inputs come into play once you start with lighting, magnification and tilting and they give very false impressions to what's there.
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 Posted 08/12/2021  08:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wrekkdd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@okie coiner, when I talk about an added premium it's just me referring to weather or not it is an error or not, it has nothing to do with an actual price of a coin. I find die chips that are big more interesting then something I can't see without a microscope. So when I talk about premium, I'm simply saying should I keep it or not, or would others keep it. From what iv read this is a die gouge, I'm not sure what else it could be. There is plenty of errors that are basically worthless and then there are some errors that are more rare(not necessarily more sought after) if I'm learning about errors, I'm not asking "hey guys what should I try and sell this for" I'm saying "hey guys is this an actual error and if so how common. When ever you post about my posts you talk to me like I'm trying to make a quick buck off coins, this is not the case. So in the future please respond about what I'm asking not a speech on how everything I post has been worthless. I could find an actual double die and you could do the same thing"what would you pay for it" or it's "it's common for that year". I don't care if it is I just want to know what the errors I post are, and how rare the error is at the mint.
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 Posted 08/12/2021  08:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wrekkdd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Also I can easily see this with my eyes without my camera.
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 Posted 08/12/2021  08:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wrekkdd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
After looking and testing it with a toothpick I can say with 100% certainty that it is raised
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 Posted 08/12/2021  08:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wrekkdd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here is a better not super zoomed in shot, it passes through 2 beads but the beads are still there so this would be a die gouge unless you have info on something that can pass for a die gouge
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 Posted 08/12/2021  08:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add okiecoiner to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, now that looks like a gouge/scratch to me now. As I have mentioned before, it may technically be an "error" I wouldn't consider it one in my mind. Save it if you wish.
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 Posted 08/12/2021  08:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wrekkdd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@okiecoiner, if it's more rare then basic die wear then I'll save it, based on coops article it is to big to be a die scratch I think, mayb someone who has expertise in this specific field with more modern coins will chime in about it to confirm.
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 Posted 08/12/2021  09:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add okiecoiner to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Maybe a tool dropped on it.
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 Posted 08/12/2021  09:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wrekkdd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Possible, the die could have been dropped on something as well, who knows.

At john100 I can easily see it with the naked eye so based on your comment it is a keeper?
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 Posted 08/12/2021  09:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wrekkdd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Either way I'm going to keep it I don't think they are super rare but it's a decent size and a real error. Soo unless someone can tell me it's not a die gouge then this is actually my first real error find.

@coop, a special thanks for your article showing me the difference between die chips and cracks, vs die scratches and gouges.
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It is a plating bubble, not a die gouge. This is a common issue for the copper-plated zinc (CPZ) 1-cent coins from 1997 onwards. The copper-plated steel 1c coins (the ones with the 'P' on them, or stick to a magnet) do not have this issue. For those of us that have 1c PCGS Registry sets, they are a real pain (detracts from the grade).

No premium or value to any error or variety collector, it's a conversation piece. Keep it if you like - that is why we collect.

Here is a nice MS-66 2003 CPZ (from smallcentguy's PCGS registry), and I point out the plating bubble issues with the blue arrows.


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 Posted 08/12/2021  1:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wrekkdd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@SPP-Ottawa, how can you tell the difference? The photo I posted the bubble or gouge is much bigger then those, is there a way to test to see if it is a gas bubble and not a gas bubble?
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 Posted 08/12/2021  1:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wrekkdd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This bubble looks exactly like examples of die gouges iv seen so how can I find out for sure if it's a bubble or not
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 Posted 08/12/2021  1:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wrekkdd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Reading up on this issue a bit, it's not impossible that it's a die gouge but the odds are much much much more in the favor of it being a plating bubble., And I'm assuming the only way to know for sure would be to pop the buble, and if it is not a bubble I would just be damaging the coin. But if that's the only way to know for sure it's no loss to me if it is a bubble. How would one go about intentionally popping a plating bubble? Just push on it hard with a metal pin.
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