2 1865 Fancy Fives

Aha.....see we never saw pictures of what ANACS said on their label.. That probably would be helpful. Have they designated them with the "RPD" or a numbered variety that starts with an "S"

Please post pictures of the whole label. Thanks!!

Since all Indian Head cent and Two Cent coins dated 1865 can come in either plain or fancy 5 it seems that the TPGs are now beginning to include this on their labels. PCGS stated last year they would be putting fancy or plain 5 respectively on slabbed coin labels at no additional charge now.

The Plain 5 in the Two Cent series is slightly more scarce, I'm not sure which way it goes on the Indian Head cent, but there is really no premium applied in pricing or value on either series.

I made up a quick example of the two different numeral 5 logotype punches.

OK, it makes sense now. "Details" grades are considered damaged. The grading company will still assign an overall grade, and then "detail" what the problem on the coin is. Here's what ANACS says about it.


Typically a collector finds problem coins less desirable. I sometimes can't find what the grader saw as re-engraved when looking at images, and often it's pretty clear. Is your darker coin the one that got the "details" designation? I think I see dark lines around the feathers on the obverse if I zoom in, but it's hard to tell. People do this to coins to make it appear to be in a higher grade than it actually is. Edit to add that it probably has nothing to do with the date.

Do you have any suggestions as to how to get a better quality image and still adhere to 300mb?

Based on your photos and as we can't see the whole image the regular AU50 is worth about $60, the Details AU50 is worth less, how much less I can't say but $30-$45 is a good price estimate. Neither of these are what I would call rare. These are basically worth $90-$100 for both coins.

What the details designation says is that someone tried to make one of the coins look better, via some type of engraving. Even if it's a mistake as the coin value will go from for example $45 to $60 and it's costs about $15 to reslab it isn't worth it to get it corrected (if it's wrong, which probably it isn't)

I can't get the entire slab with the ANACS details. Please let me know if this helps. I might add I don't think ANACS is wrong, I just would honestly like to know what THEY saw. Under magnification I do see a slight difference in the detail, although I'm not quite sure what it is I'm seeing. One looks well...a little flatter in some places. But I'm not seeing anything that looks off. However it may be like the situation with my car. That pesky check engine light came on and the tech heard a sewing machine. I have a few of those so I asked if it sounded like a treadle or an electric machine. I wasn't hearing it. It doesn't mean he didn't hear it. Turns out he was right...the head gasket was blown. I guess what I'm saying is just like the untrained ear wasn't hearing a sewing machine, the untrained eye isn't seeing it. However this untrained eye really does want to see it for her own knowledge.

Many times with Indian Head cents, especially decades back, unscrupulous sellers would add diamonds on the ribbon to pass it off ad uncirculated. I cant tell if that is what happened here but it would not shock me if thats the case.