Coin Community Family of Web Sites Join Thousands of Coin, Bullion, & Money Collectors
Vancouvers #1 Coin and Paper Money Dealer Specializing in Modern Numismatics Coin, Banknote and Medal Collectors's Online Mall 300,000 items to help build your collection! Royal Estate Auctions - $1 Coin AuctionsRoyal Canadian Mint products, Canadian, Polish, American, and world coins and banknotes. Join Thousands of Coin, Bullion, & Money Collectors








Username:
Password:
Save Password
Forgot your Password?


This page may contain links that result in small commissions to keep this free site up and running.

Welcome Guest! Registering and/or logging in will remove the anchor (bottom) ads. It's Free!

Coin Grading Vs Stamp Grading - Centering And Other Eye Appeal Factors

To participate in the forum you must log in or register.
Author Previous TopicReplies: 6 / Views: 998Next Topic  
Bedrock of the Community
numismatic student's Avatar
United States
11896 Posts
 Posted 08/23/2021  4:33 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add numismatic student to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I grew up collecting stamps which was a much more popular hobby when I was growing up than it is now. There are many parallels in the hobby, both are produced and issued by the government, error collecting is popular in both, there is keen interest in how these collectibles were produced and how historic events affected issuance.

I was thinking about how some grading concepts translate and others don't, or maybe don't to the same degree.

For example, in stamp collecting, the impression has to be completely centered between the perforated or cut edges to obtain a high grade. I think coin collecting is more lenient on this as the rim can vary in thickness and have less than a perfectly centered strike, especially in early issues, and still be a superb gem. Why is that? Just collector preference?

Anything from stamp grading that can help us become more attentive to detail when grading coins?

Do you just consider it a completely separate hobby with a separate set of rules? Is there overlap?

Sad that stamp collecting of anything but the most famous issues is in such doldrums.

Pillar of the Community
jacrispies's Avatar
United States
3848 Posts
 Posted 08/24/2021  12:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jacrispies to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Interesting thoughts. I find strike and centering more of a preference in coin collecting. I would prefer a nicely struck, centered bust half dollar as opposed to a late die state strike that is a little off center. But sometimes I can't be that picky!
Suffering from bust half fever.
Want to learn how to attribute early half dollars by die variety? Click Here: http://goccf.com/t/434955
Shoot me a PM if you are looking to sell bust halves.
Pillar of the Community
United States
1496 Posts
 Posted 08/24/2021  5:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add halfamind to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Great topic. Didn't have time to comment yesterday. Philately and numismatics have evolved differently. Sometimes I wish we could take some of the better aspects of one hobby and transfer them to the other. Personally, I think coin collectors would benefit from a cataloguing or numbering system, like we have with U.S. stamps. As a side note, collectors of both fall victim to the hysteria and hype surrounding errors such as the 1955 doubled die Lincoln Wheat cent and the 1918 inverted Jenny.
Pillar of the Community
hfjacinto's Avatar
United States
7276 Posts
 Posted 08/24/2021  5:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hfjacinto to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There are several differences between coins and stamps. Stamps and currency are more inline, as an example the below note while crisp and uncirculated only merits an MS 63 as the margins aren't great:

Coin-Grading-Vs-Stamp-Grading---Centering-And-Other-Eye-Appeal-Factors
Coin-Grading-Vs-Stamp-Grading---Centering-And-Other-Eye-Appeal-Factors

Compared to this note which has essentially perfect margins

Coin-Grading-Vs-Stamp-Grading---Centering-And-Other-Eye-Appeal-Factors
Coin-Grading-Vs-Stamp-Grading---Centering-And-Other-Eye-Appeal-Factors

So stamps and currency you can use the centering more.

With coins we don't have a cutter, we have a large metal machine pretty much smash 3 pieces of metal together, even though most are pretty well centered (especially on new coins), but in essence unless the coin is perfectly centered you won't get the perfect grade.

Issues with coins also relate to the wear on the die, in use, scratches and various other items. You really can't reuse stamps, but you can reuse coins.
Coin-Grading-Vs-Stamp-Grading---Centering-And-Other-Eye-Appeal-Factors
Coin-Grading-Vs-Stamp-Grading---Centering-And-Other-Eye-Appeal-Factors
Bedrock of the Community
numismatic student's Avatar
United States
11896 Posts
 Posted 08/24/2021  7:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add numismatic student to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks! But I'm looking at the MS63 silver certificate and it looks perfectly centered to me. I guess I don't have that "centering feel" you have.

I was referring more to these... when you find one it is an ugly duck

Coin-Grading-Vs-Stamp-Grading---Centering-And-Other-Eye-Appeal-Factors

But one of these in coin collecting is an error and becomes much more valuable

Coin-Grading-Vs-Stamp-Grading---Centering-And-Other-Eye-Appeal-Factors
Edited by numismatic student
08/24/2021 7:26 pm
Pillar of the Community
hfjacinto's Avatar
United States
7276 Posts
 Posted 08/24/2021  9:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hfjacinto to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Like I posted above the stamp and currency lose value as they are cut/preforated, unless the cut is an error (into the design) it will lose value as it's not perfect.

A coin generally has to be well centered by virtue of how it's made, if it's not made well essentially you have an error and more value.

What you have to look at extremes of centering, well center = better, off center = ugh, cutting into the design= error and more value.
Pillar of the Community
hfjacinto's Avatar
United States
7276 Posts
 Posted 08/24/2021  9:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hfjacinto to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
As to the MS63 note the top and right margins are larger than the bottom and left margin.
  Previous TopicReplies: 6 / Views: 998Next Topic  

To participate in the forum you must log in or register.



    




Disclaimer: While a tremendous amount of effort goes into ensuring the accuracy of the information contained in this site, Coin Community assumes no liability for errors. Copyright 2005 - 2026 Coin Community Family- all rights reserved worldwide. Use of any images or content on this website without prior written permission of Coin Community or the original lender is strictly prohibited.
Contact Us  |  Advertise Here  |  Privacy Policy / Terms of Use

Coin Community Forum © 2005 - 2026 Coin Community Forums
It took 0.27 seconds to rattle this change. Forums