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1967 SMS Quarter A Double Die, But What Kind ? Please Help

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 Posted 10/01/2021  1:17 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add yontan to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
When I saw doubling on this 1967 quarter, I was startled to see some other odd things. I have marked some of them, but I can't figure out what the other marks are. What happened to this quarter ?Pardon the pictures , as this coin is so brilliant.
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Awesome looking. I'm not sure but I think sms quarters were struck like proof coins and you have a crazy case of Strike Doubling. I could be wrong. This could be a topic for coop and Mike.

The other option is an awesome unlisted DDO but that one is slim.
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Thanks, I'll keep checking.
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To much light refraction for me to tell, I'm sure someone will be able to tell.
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I agree that this is an awesome looking coin. I might dig out some of mine that I have not looked at this closely if I ever get some time. Did you catch it by eye or were you just prospecting?
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On the date it is showing strong Machine Doubling. Note all the affected areas are on the outside edges of the devices. Nothing is enlarged on the centers of the devices. Nothing is enlarged, but reduced in size. If I'm calling this all Machine Doubling. (note all the devices are showing a push west on them)
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Unfortunately looks to be Machine Doubling. One of the strongest examples I've ever seen though.

I know proof coins are intentionally struck multiple times to create that finish (Which is why MD tends to be more common and a lot stronger on proofs), I think SMS strikes are similar but not 100% on that.
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I agree with the Machine Doubling call. Plus, there is much lighting glare. Next time, you might want to use a defused lighting source to cut the glare. Ultra shiny coins are very difficult to photograph well!
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Coop, my emphasis was on the strong projections protruding from corners of the letters, as well as the slab-like layers, such as on the level areas of the B and E. I've seen Machine Doubling, but never showing these. It might have something to do with Wilburtons' call of Strike Doubling.
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The machine was very loose. What you are seeing on them is where the metal wasn't affected by the MD and where is was is distorted the most. Not a hub doubling issue. If it were hub doubling, all the devices would have been enlarged evenly. This is not the case. Just a very sloppy machine. Keep in mind this is not a normal strike. It is a SMS strike which is stronger and done twice. So one strike was different than the second strike because of the machine issue.
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This one is pretty bizarre but the right side of the date has MD like Coop and Tanman said.

The extra "jogs" in the letters BER seem to be where horizontal parts of the letters meet the vertical parts, but only above the horizontal part. I can't see any "jog" below.

I wonder if only the obverse die could have suffered from a bounce that produced this "jog" effect.

Whatever caused it, it is pretty neat and worthy of a Saflip.
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Thanks to all of you, and Coop, I agree with your synopsis. I do wonder (with the bouncing)why there is no effect on the reverse. In any case, I have never seen these particular effects, so will keep the coin, with pictures, as a conversation piece.
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