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Under High Magnification , I See Nothing Obviously Unusual 1923 Lincoln

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Please find the problems with this coin
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 Posted 10/08/2021  7:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wrekkdd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't have many weat cents but something looks off to me on the ear and under the bow tie there is something as well. Not 100% sure what, possibly a die chip. The bottom of the ear is the thing that stands out most to me.

Edit: there is also something above the bow tie that seems unusual to me.
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 Posted 10/08/2021  8:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add halfamind to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Reverse cleaning at some point? Looks like some crud/discoloration in a few sheltered areas.
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Looks like the C in cent took a hit and there are several gouges on the reverse as well
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[/I don't have many weat cents but something looks off to me on the ear and under the bow tie there is something as well. Not 100% sure what, possibly a die chip. The bottom of the ear is the thing that stands out most to me.

Edit: there is also something above the bow tie that seems unusual to me.]

after reading this I compared it to other graded Lincolns I have and nothing unusual or so I think.
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[/Reverse cleaning at some point? Looks like some crud/discoloration in a few sheltered areas.]

Is there something on the reverse picture that I don't understand yet that you see?
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[/Looks like the C in cent took a hit and there are several gouges on the reverse as well]

Remember this coin has been magnified a lot. ( sent with gentle affect ) With the coin in hand those marks are the size of a pin head.
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Regarding a possible old reverse cleaning: the reverse fields look splotchy, with darker areas — kind of like looking at the full moon, if you'll pardon the mixed analogy. Lettering and designs are more shiny.
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possible cleaning, but if not MS62
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if you can post your own photos for comparison. hate trueview for grading
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QUOTE [/if you can post your own photos for comparison. hate trueview for grading]

Hey my forum friend, I guess I posted this picture hoping someone knows how to read trueview! I sure as heck don't. In any case this coin got smoothed details grade I read somewhere that means metal was moved?
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here are two magnified images
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Here is a marked portion of the reverse, from the TruView photo. The damage to the "C" of CENT and the field above the "N" of ONE could very well be the reason for the 98 Code.
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Here's the PCGS video explaining how they see the 98 Code:
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and....thats why I dislike grading from trueview. I dont understand why anyone would pay to get that
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Definitely have to agree with PCGS on this one, that reverse has a lot going on that doesn't just seem like normal wear. Lots of weird marks and hits, I don't think smoothing is out of the question, especially after seeing your in-hand photo of the reverse.
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Lots of damage (scratches, cleaning?) on the reverse. I can imagine PCGS gave it a Details rating.
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