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1977 Quarter Has Me Confused

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This is a 1977 Washington quarter. At first I suspected that somebody tried to hole this coin and what I am seeing is PMD but now I am not so sure. The depression on the reverse doesn't quite line up with the depression on the obverse. Secondly, on the reverse it appears to be a blob struck into the coin with the depression in the center. The blob looks like it was struck to me with feather detail. The talons and arrows look like a Greaser. I was thinking that perhaps a defect from the obverse was struck into the reverse. I can't make any sense of it, PMD or error? Please enlighten me!

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Thought I would try to add another zoomed in picture of the reverse. I hope this shows up OK.
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It looks like is missing chunks of metal on both the obverse and reverse, could be struck on some foreign object and left an indent on it, but the last picture leaves me to believe it maybe done intentionally.
I'd like to see the affected area at an angle, showing the edge details to confirm whether this is real error or otherwise.
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 Posted 11/08/2021  04:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It looks like PMD of some kind to me.
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Please pardon my pictures, my photography skills aren't the greatest. Here is an angled picture of the reverse "blob" and crater. Note the texture within the crater doesn't seem to display tooling but rather what looks more like die chips. Additionally, thinking there may be the possibility of the "blob" being glue, I soaked the coin in acetone for an hour and nothing changed. The blob is not raised above the surface of the coin but rather flush like a retained lamination would be (struck into the surface). I weighed and measured the coin. Thickness and diameter are within specs but the weight is .68 grams under weight.
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.19 grams +/- is mint tolerance.
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Not an error, definitely PMD
There is no way for that to happen during the striking of the coin.

Instead of saying coin is underweight .68g, please give the actual weight.
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Post strike damage, me thinks--most likely of a deliberate nature. Didn't exit the striking chamber in this condition. Cool find, might be worth keeping as a curiosity.
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It almost looks like it was placed on a small lathe so it could be turned (one side was the pivot and the other side was the the spindle side. Maybe they were going to try a high speed 'spooning' on it but it didn't work out
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Some sort of deliberate damage for sure.
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Someone trying to make it look like an error. Just a spender. Save the best, spend the rest.
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Thank you for your valued opinions. I too suspected PMD until I looked at the blob area with a stacked loupe. I swear that I can see evidence of the blob being struck into the surface. Looks like remnants of feather lines around K-5 and looks like the eagles left breast line near the top of the blob. I entertained the possibility of something like a lathe or punch tool but the centers of the obverse and reverse damage don't line up like that. Even if it were an error, I doubt it would be of much value. I was just boggled trying to do some detective work how this occurred. Sorry, I should have mentioned that the weight was 5.57 grams. Still a curiosity piece for me that I will put in a 2x2 and label "Questionable Strike Through" and stash with all my other minor die cracks, greasers and such. In all likelihood I tend to agree with the community that it is probably PMD. My pictures aren't very detailed and it is something you have to inspect first hand to understand what I am seeing. Thanks again for your expert opinions.
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I like to see the affected area on the obverse also, but the pictures are too grainy, so its hard to give you my honest opinion.
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