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Mystery Banknotes Perplexing Me

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 Posted 11/14/2021  09:39 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Chrisperplexed to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi,
I hope someone reading this can help.
I'm generally OK at identifying coins and banknotes, but not the 2 I've got here.
I'm starting to doubt they are real currency.
Any ideas?
Thanks!


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 Posted 11/14/2021  10:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add commems to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I can't say for certain, but the fact that the top bill features "NON-NEGOTIABLE" on its front makes me think it is not actual currency. Could it possibly be play/game currency or (bank) cashier training currency? Just a few thoughts...

Hopefully, someone who can read the characters on each note will come along and provide solid insights.




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 Posted 11/14/2021  12:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Numiscrat to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
To add to the speculation:

Possibly a form of scrip or bank currency, hence the non-negotiable part, and why it's such a challenge for you. I wouldn't dismiss it as play money just yet. May not be worth anything, but still intellectually rewarding to figure out.

If borne out of the chaos (collapse of empire, WWII, civil war) in early to mid twentieth century China, it might be an interesting challenge to pin the ID down, when many banks issued substitute currency.

Another clue: I saw a couple of surnames on one of the notes, that according to my search results, tend to be anglicizations of Cantonese names. But, I would not bet my life on that.

As commems said, you ultimately might have to find someone who can read the note.

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 Posted 11/14/2021  4:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Orac to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Is the second note possibly a 'Hell Note' of some kind (a note used for burning as an offering to the dead)?
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 Posted 11/14/2021  7:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The bottom one is definitely "hell money", intended for burning at funerals so the loved one in the afterlife can have some spending money. Tony James (Australian banknote dealer) has a 500 yuan note with the same two "signatures" (Yim Wong and M.S. Pok); he dates it to "1930s to 1950s". Catalogue PDF; scroll down to "China".

I suspect the first one is "hell money" too.
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 Posted 11/14/2021  7:05 pm  Show Profile   Check ClusterCoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add ClusterCoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The second bank note would be quite old heck Money, as even in heck there apparently is rampant inflation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell_money

"Earlier examples of these notes were issued in denominations of 5 and 10 yuan and upwards, with such amounts being considered adequate until inflation took hold within China from 1944. The soaring denominations of authentic currency was soon reflected in that issued for the afterlife, and after 1945 the majority of heck banknotes were issued in denominations of $10,000 or higher."

Edit: I just noticed the word 'h3ll' is censored and changed into 'heck' on this forum. Amusing.
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 Posted 11/15/2021  2:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CelticKnot to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
and thanks for posting the interesting notes!
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 Posted 11/16/2021  1:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add lettow to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The first note is one of the pseudo-notes made by the A&BC Company in the 1960s.
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 Posted 11/18/2021  08:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Chrisperplexed to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wow.
Thanks very much for all your helpful replies and insights.
I had thought the second note (taped up) was h3ll/heck money, but even after I trawled through many images on the web some months ago I couldn't find an example with the Wong & Pok signatures.
You folks are amazing.
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