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1923 Lincoln Wheat Cent - Can Someone Give Me Their Opinion On This One

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Hi everyone, I read this site most everyday, lots of great knowledge here. I found one today that gave me a reason to post. I found this coin a 1923 wheat in a roll from the dealer today.A pic of the reverse is attached. Check out the E pluribus Unum and the area around the one. I hope the pic turned out OK I had to make it smaller to get under the 90k limit. Thanks in advance

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 Posted 01/21/2009  8:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I want to say an acid bath. I would like to see what Mike Diamond says it really is. I have one similar to this.
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 Posted 01/21/2009  8:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rockdude to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
to the forum USMCLion. It looks like it was heavily cleaned with acid or whatever.
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 Posted 01/21/2009  8:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add USMCLion to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the replies. I really don't think it's cleaned with acid. The front is in nice shape and the color of the coin never changed. In hand the coin looks a little different than in the photo.
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 Posted 01/21/2009  8:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KurtS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Acid etching is known to bring out flow lines from the strike, but I'm going to wait on this one.
What's the weight of this coin?
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 Posted 01/21/2009  8:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add USMCLion to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Kurt, I don't have a scale so I can't help out there. I see what everyone is seeing with the acid reference but there is no way you can acid a coin and keep the original surfaces. Other than a little red wear in the upper left hand corner the surfaces are original. In hand it sort of loks like there are Halo's around the letters in ONE and the tops of the wheat stocks. Either way a pretty cool find, I like it.
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 Posted 01/21/2009  11:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mikep to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice find, whatever it is. Reminds me of a Dali painting.
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Hi,

It has a look as though it were struck through a capped die. I can't recall ever seeing one though where it was the reverse of the coin that was effected.

I'm not able to say anything definitive on this one at this point.

Although the reverse is what is most effected, I would like to see the obverse as well.

Thanks,
Bill
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Interesting!
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Looks like they struck while the paint was still wet Looks very cool!

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I found the same effect around the letters in the legend of this large British Penny.

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 Posted 01/22/2009  04:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coffeegod to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I made coins exactly like this when I was younger. Very simple. You have to bring the coin just before melting point, with a torch or on a stove, hot plate, etc... Then take it off before the coin actually desolves into a molten heap, which is quite quick. Don't know how many coins I destroyed doing this.

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 Posted 01/22/2009  06:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add USMCLion to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Bill here is a pic of the obv. It's not the best pic, I'm still trying to get the hang of it

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I made coins exactly like this when I was younger. Very simple. You have to bring the coin just before melting point, with a torch or on a stove, hot plate, etc... Then take it off before the coin actually desolves into a molten heap, which is quite quick. Don't know how many coins I destroyed doing this.


That was my first thought, as well. What holds me up, though, is that E PLURIBUS UNUM has run, indicating the coin was vertical when heated, while none of the other reverse detail did. Would those smaller letters get sufficiently hot to run while the rest of the coin remained cool enough for the details to stay in place? Furthermore, would any of this happen while leaving the obverse relatively unscathed?

I could envision it happening by playing a torch on the top of the reverse, but I would think that ONE would show more damage.

These are genuine questions - I have no idea. Just throwing out thoughts.
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 Posted 01/22/2009  08:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mikediamond to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't know what was done to it exactly. But its appearance is inconsistent with a genuine mint error. The exaggerated flow lines coming off E PLURIBUS UNUM and the ripples extending out from ONE are not effects one sees in capped die strikes, struck-thru errors, grease strikes, or any other known error category that would produce a blurred reverse design. I suspect the coin will be underweight.
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I have seen coins that were found in water where they were for long periods of time come out looking like this, with the details "softened".
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