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8 Reales "Birmingham" Forgery 1794?

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Hello eveyone and well met , this would be my 1st post in the forums , reason actually why I decidd to join the forums to learn more about numismatics in general and ill start with this coin. I personally work antiques in Lima Peru , this coin a just aquired from another merchant who specializes in coins and is what I believe to be a Birmingham forgery from the info he gave me.
I would love your input and opinions , ill be reciving this coin in about 3 days from him as he is sending it from another city in Peru then I can weigh it etc.
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A "Birmingham" forgery would be a contemporary counterfeit and the date and mint would have been carefully chosen to blend in with other circulating currency. The Santiago mint would be a terrible choice for such a coin. This is likely to be a modern forgery and thus nearly worthless.
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I agree this appears to be from the GNL Book on page 311 the GNL variety = GNL#1794-O:Aa/R:So Da-001. Sheffield plate probably on a brass or more likely IMO on a copper alloy. Sheffield plates are normally on copper alloys irrespective of what we wrote on page 311 in 2014. English counterfeiters preferred a copper host whereas with French silver plated coins they preferred a brass host instead or the so-called French plating process. Use the Heritage site of auction archives of George III 8R countermark specimens and determine if this countermark is real - remember here you have two possibilities - a fake countermark on a fake host (more likely) or a "real" countermark on a fake host (less likely).

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colonialjohn thanks for info , could you please do me a favor and post a link to the heritage website to check the countermark and find out ty ty
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