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1856 Seated Liberty Half Dime, What Is Going On Here? Broadstruck?

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I snapped this up on ebay for $110, these are the sellers photos so I don't have a picture of the edge. What do you think is going on? There appears to be expansion to me but maybe it's an illusion, not sure. The strength of the rim and the flattening of the denticles is a concern of mine.

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Hmmm strange indeed. It doesn't look broadstruck. First impression is PMD, but there is no major tooling marks or bending of the coin. Possible mint made error here.
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Hmm that is weird. I was thinking that a broadstruck coin would not have a rim since by definition it was struck without a collar. I wonder if it isn't damage, but am interested to hear what others think.
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Any chance you can give us the weight and diameter of this coin?
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I agree with your concern Spence, on the surface it appears genuine but theres discrepancies that are setting alarm bells off.

Coinfrog, Soon as it comes in, sure. As of right now its in the sellers hands, so these photos are all I have to go off of.
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Was this potentially struck on a dime planchet? Or more along the lines of a die-adjustment strike? Interesting though...
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What's that edge like? Complete and solid denticles all around?

I'd hope CCF member Matthews34 sees this that's Joseph Cronin who wrote the book Mint Errors to Die for. A wonderful reference with amazing photographs. He doesn't take emails here but I'll send him the link as he is always willing to look at a coin and offer his expert opinion on it. To me it's PMD so far, but it almost looks like a railroad rim off center, unless the edge is all normal then I'm at a loss, nothing like this in Joseph's book.
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Not sure what causes this on the Half Dime but if you search ebay on past sales "1856 Half Dime" I think you will see others like this sold over the past couple months.
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The denticles are still present, but I don't think this is broadstruck either, maybe taken out from a bezel of some kind.
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That was my first thought as well.
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It isn't broadstruck. I'm not sure what causes the weak dentils but you will see this a lot on Half Dimes from the 1850's, but not usually to the extent this coin shows. A problem with the hardening of the dies might cause this if the circumference of the die is too soft.
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Doesn't look like any "normal" mint error. In any case, it looks like a cleaned coin with VF detail. Unless it has a legitimate, value-adding mint error it seems like the price was way too high. Can you get a refund?
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Yeah I'm not very worried about the price because the return privileges are very forgiving. If it turns out to be normal, PMD, or otherwise unsatisfactory I can return it and be out like $4. Happy enough to gamble $4 on a snap buy.
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