Coin Community Family of Web Sites Join Thousands of Coin, Bullion, & Money Collectors
Vancouvers #1 Coin and Paper Money Dealer Join Thousands of Coin, Bullion, & Money Collectors Shop for APMEX Bullion on eBay!300,000 items to help build your collection! Coin, Banknote and Medal Collectors's Online Mall Royal Canadian Mint products, Canadian, Polish, American, and world coins and banknotes. Specializing in Modern Numismatics








Username:
Password:
Save Password
Forgot your Password?


This page may contain links that result in small commissions to keep this free site up and running.

Welcome Guest! Registering and/or logging in will remove the anchor (bottom) ads. It's Free!

New Collector Trying To Learn-Please Educate- 1984-D Kennedy No DDO

To participate in the forum you must log in or register.
Author Previous TopicReplies: 4 / Views: 865Next Topic  
New Member

United States
24 Posts
 Posted 01/23/2022  1:40 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Kwang to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I want to say thank you first and foremost. I have learned so much from all of your expert advise. But I still can not always distinguish a DDO from Machine Doubling. Even some of the PCGS DDO's or DDR's are hard to see even when I know it is one. There are no known 1984-D DDO's that I can find any reference too anywhere. So, this is Machine Doubling I suppose but my goodness it is seriously doubled. I see multiple sheriff's on each letter. Yes, I know that isn't the correct word but I misunderstood when I first heard it so they will always be sheriff's to me. I see multipe sheriff's. Please give all advice and insight to help me improve. I appreciate all of you very much. Photos of the full coin that you all want to see are pretty terrible, sorry.


New-Collector-Trying-To-Learn-Please-Educate--1984-D-Kennedy-No-DDO
New-Collector-Trying-To-Learn-Please-Educate--1984-D-Kennedy-No-DDO
New-Collector-Trying-To-Learn-Please-Educate--1984-D-Kennedy-No-DDO
New-Collector-Trying-To-Learn-Please-Educate--1984-D-Kennedy-No-DDO
New-Collector-Trying-To-Learn-Please-Educate--1984-D-Kennedy-No-DDO
New-Collector-Trying-To-Learn-Please-Educate--1984-D-Kennedy-No-DDO
New-Collector-Trying-To-Learn-Please-Educate--1984-D-Kennedy-No-DDO
New-Collector-Trying-To-Learn-Please-Educate--1984-D-Kennedy-No-DDO
New-Collector-Trying-To-Learn-Please-Educate--1984-D-Kennedy-No-DDO
Moderator
Learn More...
John1's Avatar
United States
56855 Posts
 Posted 01/23/2022  1:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like you will need to filter your light source. Here is a good site to learn doubling: https://koinpro.tripod.com/Articles...Doubling.htm
John1
New Member
United States
24 Posts
 Posted 01/23/2022  2:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kwang to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you John. So correctly stated this is Strike Doubling?
Moderator
Learn More...
John1's Avatar
United States
56855 Posts
 Posted 01/23/2022  3:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I cannot tell for sure with the posted photos, sorry.
John1
Bedrock of the Community
coop's Avatar
United States
62064 Posts
 Posted 01/23/2022  3:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Keep in mind these facts on Machine Doubling.
1. Always seen on the outside/inside edges of devices.
New-Collector-Trying-To-Learn-Please-Educate--1984-D-Kennedy-No-DDO
Note the pushed metal look of Machine Doubling? The metal was there after the strike, but altered by the machine right after the strike.
New-Collector-Trying-To-Learn-Please-Educate--1984-D-Kennedy-No-DDO
(A doubled die shows a spread in the centers of the devices.)
New-Collector-Trying-To-Learn-Please-Educate--1984-D-Kennedy-No-DDO
Note the centers again? The spread is seen on the centers of the devices. Machine Doubling is always see on the outside/inside edges of devices.

2. Always leaves a flat design where the contour is removed from the devices.
New-Collector-Trying-To-Learn-Please-Educate--1984-D-Kennedy-No-DDO
(The contour on a coin will show the top of the devices the flowing down the base of the device. This flow will show the color light at the top of the devices and then darker at the bottom of the devices.
New-Collector-Trying-To-Learn-Please-Educate--1984-D-Kennedy-No-DDO
Note on the left side of these devices there is no contour, it was removed unevenly by the machine. Stronger to weaker on the left side. The right side of the devices is showing the contour. The light to darker color of the normal devices. So if you see it on one side the device, then know it was there before the Machine Doubling flatten that edge of the device.
New-Collector-Trying-To-Learn-Please-Educate--1984-D-Kennedy-No-DDO
(Most of the times it is seen as a 90 degree angle, instead the normal shape of the devices.)

Facts about die wear on a coin:
1. Die wear always flows towards the edge of a coin.
New-Collector-Trying-To-Learn-Please-Educate--1984-D-Kennedy-No-DDO
New-Collector-Trying-To-Learn-Please-Educate--1984-D-Kennedy-No-DDO
DDD is also seen first on the fields towards the closest edge on the coin. Machine Doubling can appear on both sides of the devices.
New-Collector-Trying-To-Learn-Please-Educate--1984-D-Kennedy-No-DDO
Note the fields are affected, but the devices are normal. Because of the lower profile on the design, it affect that area differently.
But again both affect the outside edges of devices.
2. On DDD, that appears on the single squeeze coins, the second stage of the DDD, is Ridge Ring, that is seen most often on cents, rises on the coins (indicating it is lowering of that area on the dies.)
New-Collector-Trying-To-Learn-Please-Educate--1984-D-Kennedy-No-DDO

This is see on the outside edges of the devices more times on the Motto of cents. Again this is a die issue. When the dies are polished, then the centers of the devices tend to fade away off the dies.

New-Collector-Trying-To-Learn-Please-Educate--1984-D-Kennedy-No-DDO
These are the two non collectable things that happens on coins. You can have both affecting the coins struck by these dies.
But the Machine Doubling is a striking issue, the die aging is a die event issue. These confuse new collectors.
But look at the center of the devices.
New-Collector-Trying-To-Learn-Please-Educate--1984-D-Kennedy-No-DDO
There should be a spread on the devices in the centers of the devices. Sometimes even nothing appears. On the single squeeze dies there are also two things to look for on the doubled dies.
1. In the centers of the devices is where you will see doubled dies first.
2. On some of these areas you will need to look up on the sites to spot the DDRs. They are not in the areas you are used to see a doubled die. The doubling is on the center devices.
New-Collector-Trying-To-Learn-Please-Educate--1984-D-Kennedy-No-DDO
New-Collector-Trying-To-Learn-Please-Educate--1984-D-Kennedy-No-DDO
Quarters Obverse on the Earlobes. On the Motto areas the devices will be distorted in shape. On the quarters, they tend to look like oriental looking. Look at the lobes on the above image. Note how the doubling is raised above the design and copies the hub design?
3. The hub doubling on the reverse is most often not on the devices, but on the design in the centers. As I mentioned earlier, the sooner you start looking this up, you will stop searching in the wrong location for the wrong things. Read the site to know what to look for as each design is different and designs with nothing in the center of designs, will never have a DDR. Remember the target areas are more in the center of the designs:
New-Collector-Trying-To-Learn-Please-Educate--1984-D-Kennedy-No-DDO
New-Collector-Trying-To-Learn-Please-Educate--1984-D-Kennedy-No-DDO
New-Collector-Trying-To-Learn-Please-Educate--1984-D-Kennedy-No-DDO
New-Collector-Trying-To-Learn-Please-Educate--1984-D-Kennedy-No-DDO
Examples of Dimes that have DDRs:
New-Collector-Trying-To-Learn-Please-Educate--1984-D-Kennedy-No-DDO
New-Collector-Trying-To-Learn-Please-Educate--1984-D-Kennedy-No-DDO
Area for nickels:
New-Collector-Trying-To-Learn-Please-Educate--1984-D-Kennedy-No-DDO
New-Collector-Trying-To-Learn-Please-Educate--1984-D-Kennedy-No-DDO
So study the sites. know what to look for on different types of die setups. The ones of the past doubled dies are different than the new single squeeze dies since 1999-forward. Save your eyes. Know what to look for.

  Previous TopicReplies: 4 / Views: 865Next Topic  

To participate in the forum you must log in or register.



    




Disclaimer: While a tremendous amount of effort goes into ensuring the accuracy of the information contained in this site, Coin Community assumes no liability for errors. Copyright 2005 - 2026 Coin Community Family- all rights reserved worldwide. Use of any images or content on this website without prior written permission of Coin Community or the original lender is strictly prohibited.
Contact Us  |  Advertise Here  |  Privacy Policy / Terms of Use

Coin Community Forum © 2005 - 2026 Coin Community Forums
It took 0.29 seconds to rattle this change. Forums