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1902 - O Morgan Dollar, You Vs PCGS

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 Posted 02/12/2022  11:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ericgreen to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The sellers photos are pretty bad, but those are definitely two different coins IMO
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 Posted 02/12/2022  11:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dave700x to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It looks like the back of the label is a newer style than the Heritage sale version. Resubmitted for what ever reason?
I gotta say that auction house left money on the table with those images.
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 Posted 02/12/2022  1:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Slider23 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I ran a barcodes reader on the seller example and the Heritage example. The following are the results:

Heritage coin, 22 digit cert #, 0000072800067025357009
Seller coin, 16 digit cert #, 0072806725357009

I also ran another PCGS Morgan with the same type/year of the seller's holder. The PCGS barcode reads a 22 digit cert number. PCGS changed the barcode style from a 16 digits to 22 digits in 2010. The holder style of the seller's coin should be a 22 digit barcode.

The seller's holder is a fake. The barcode is wrong, the coin does not look MS67 and does not match the Heritage example.
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02/12/2022 6:05 pm
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 Posted 02/12/2022  2:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pristine2 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's a fake. Report the seller to ebay at your earliest opportunity.
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 Posted 02/12/2022  5:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Slider23 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The counterfeiter for the seller's coin is using the old 16 digit barcode.

Effective March 25, 2010 PCGS changed from a 16 digit to a 22 digit barcode system. Below is the layout for the barcode:

16 digit old format:
1-6 Coin/spec number
7-8 Grade
9-16 Certification number

22 digit New format:
1 Contains Gold Shield NFC Chip Technology
2-3 Reserved for future use
4-9 Coin/spec number
10 Service identifier
11 Grade detail
12-13 Grade
14 Grade modifier
15-22 Certification number
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 Posted 02/12/2022  9:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ty2020b to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yup, nevermind, certainly a totally different coin, but sellers pics are horrible.

Reputable seller?
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 Posted 02/13/2022  07:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TobyJ to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not reputable. Had a few negatives non related to coins, said he had inherited these and knew nothing about coins. Very glad I didn't bid.
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