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Is The Cartwheel Penny On The Right Fake Or Real?

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Is-The-Cartwheel-Penny-On-The-Right-Fake-Or-Real?

The coin on the right is lighter in color than the coin on the left. Is it still real?
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Colour is irrelevant, it is simply knackered, as is the coin on the left. These are incredibly common and decent examples can be had for a few pounds. Neither of these has any value to collectors.
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I was going to keep these coins to myself, you were correct in that they didn't cost much. I am still curious if they are real or not, or if it is too beaten to determine:
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Cartwheel pennies were not counterfeited often; they were technically difficult to counterfeit (the incused design being harder to create than regular relief design), and the full weight of one avoirdupois ounce per penny made it uneconomical to counterfeit them. So in that sense, it was "mission accomplished", as one of the goals of making the Cartwheels was making a counterfeit-resistant coinage.

However, they were not popular in circulation, primarily due to their weight and size. "Cartwheel" was originally a derogatory nickname applied to them, indicating a public opinion that they were too large and cumbersome for regular use. However, merchants were grateful at being given free standard weights they could use in their shops - it meant they didn't have to go and purchase new one-ounce weights all the time, they could use the coins as weights instead. Some less-than-honest merchants realised that, as people got used to using the coins as weights, they could use heavily worn or even damaged coins, that weighed significantly less than one ounce, as dishonest weights in their shops. It's entirely possible that the worn, damaged, polished example on the right was used and abused in just such a way.
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Thanks!
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It's entirely possible that the worn, damaged, polished example on the right was used and abused in just such a way.

This is a very good point. The edges look 'trimmed' (it's slightly smaller, and the legends are disappearing) and it has a dimple in the middle that might've come from working it on a lathe.
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Whether there are modern fakes about (rather than contemporary ones) is rather proven by this concurrent thread http://goccf.com/t/417362

But the OP's is far too beaten up to be a modern repro - you wouldn't reduce it's value to nothing.
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These are incredibly common and decent examples can be had for a few pounds.

I've bid on several of these on ebay, including ones located in the UK, and while not EF or similar grade they still go for more than a few pounds equivalent. The left hand penny would probably fetch $10-15 in Australia.
Alas, we don't get cartwheel pennies handed out in Weet-bix packets in OZ.
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