I Picked Up 1817 Union Fuerza Chile Independence Santiago Coin -Poss Counterfit-Help

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Mikeyworms Valued Member United States 194 Posts	Posted 02/18/2022 12:38 am I picked up 1867 Union Fuerza Chile Independence Santiago Coin and went to resell on ebay. When I looked uo info it says s/b 27 Grams and min is only 18. I known you can tell just be photo but is there anything that catches your eye? Please help and so very thankful Report this Post to the Staff

Spence Moderator United States 34393 Posts	Posted 02/18/2022 07:13 am @mikey, not my area of expertise, but in comparing your coin with the images on numista, there are several differences. For example, the position of the leaves with respect to UN PESO. The drastically wrong weight is definitely a problem as well. Is a strong magnet attracted to this piece? I'm hoping that someone more knowledgeable than I can will be able to comment if this is a modern fake or a contemporary counterfeit. "If you climb a good tree, you get a push." -----Ghanaian proverb "The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed." -----King Adz Report this Post to the Staff
coaster Pillar of the Community Australia 1364 Posts	Posted 02/18/2022 07:58 am Definitely fake ... as Spence as noted, besides the weight issue there are numerous discrepancies when compared with Numista https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces24556.html Missing text, lack of detail on pillar, wrong font and letter spacing all stand out on the obverse. Volcano shape and detail, wreath and font are all notable indicators on the reverse. Edited by coaster 02/18/2022 08:04 am Report this Post to the Staff
swamperbob Pillar of the Community United States 5362 Posts	Posted 02/19/2022 11:39 pm I agree the coin is most likely a Numismatic Forgery. It is NOT a contemporary circulating counterfeit. I collect counterfeit coins and I would value it at roughly $25. It would make a good study coin with which to teach people how to categorize fakes properly. Please advise if you put it on ebay. Report this Post to the Staff
GERMANICVS Pillar of the Community Germany 1849 Posts	Posted 02/21/2022 09:34 am Unfortunately, it is most definitely not a genuine coin. The fonts, the beading, and the edge design are completely wrong: much too uniform and 'modern' looking, untypical for this era of Chilean coinage. The actual design is also not that of the 1817 Peso, for example, the volcano ant specially the smoke stack arising from the volcano. This coin is so popular, being the first peso of independent chile, that fakes are actually quite abundant, either (i believe) of Chinese manufacture, or made locally in Chile. Edited to add: if the weight is that far off the typical weight of the originals, that alone is a dead give-away. Edited by GERMANICVS 02/21/2022 1:12 pm Report this Post to the Staff
colonialjohn Pillar of the Community United States 1757 Posts	Posted 02/21/2022 1:30 pm I agree with Bob Gurney and would John Lorenzo be fool enough not to agree with Bob Gurney - all the time <BG>. Bob all I can add is that this is a great study coin. It sure has SOME flavor of a modern Chinese fake - that brushing away of the silver to simulate wear but I do see cast bubbles on the surface - however we also seem to have mercuric silvering worn away as in the right obverse field but its fabric is mid-20thC? A bit complex with SUGGESTIONS of both modern China and a mid-20thC production piece hence its a great study coin. First I have seen on these much sought after types. After an XRF analysis it would not surprise me of a German Silver (Cu/Zn/Ni) type composition which the Chinese counterfeiters love to use to simulate silver looking regals but its probably mercuric silvering over a copper host. You would never mercuric silver a german silver host. Edited by colonialjohn 02/22/2022 1:14 pm Report this Post to the Staff
swamperbob Pillar of the Community United States 5362 Posts	Posted 02/22/2022 12:03 am The coin is certainly not typical of Numismatic Forgeries. The way the silver was applied is certainly worth confirming. Report this Post to the Staff
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