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Innocent VII Piastra . Questions

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 Posted 02/24/2022  10:16 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Roma2021 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hello,

I have a change to buy the Innocent vii piastra below. The collector is asking about $150. It looks ok to me although I was still waiting on weight and diameter.

Any thoughts on the condition, price, etc?

Thank you all in advance!
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 Posted 02/24/2022  12:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@roma, looks like it has been removed from a mount. That should hurt the value of the coin some. That will also throw the weight off a bit when you get it. Otherwise, I'm not seeing anything specifically of concern.
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 Posted 02/24/2022  1:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Roma2021 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yeah . . . the seller is asking too much. Thanks for confirming my thoughts.
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Have you researched recent sales of this coin?

When I looked in CoinArchives and acsearch, I found no sales of this coin in the last 6 months, and only 5 different examples which have come up for sale (auctions covered by acsearch) in the last 10 years. So it seems to be a somewhat rare type.
The most recent results I could find were these: https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=3789454 650 euros
https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=4794382 650 euros
(after auction commission, the total would be ~ 750 euros or $900)
The one you are looking at is in lower grade, and has the mount damage. So, as @spence says, you must take this into your analysis.

I have bought a 17th century piastra with mount damage and paid considerably more than $150 because it was a type I really wanted in my collection.

In my opinion $150 is not an outrageous price for this coin. If you have a budget constraint, you can try negotiating with the seller for a lower price.










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Interesting piece. still very worthy of including in any collection, but
this coin has had a hard solder rim mount removed.
Should reduce the price by more than 50%, relative to the price for an equivalent undamaged coin.
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seems like a fair price if it is genuine (I have no clue how to tell)
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Thank you all for your replies...
@sel_691 where do you see evidence of the rim mount? Is it the damage at 12 o clock of the indentations around the rim? I am asking so I know what I'm looking for and the correct terminology...
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Quote:
Is it the damage at 12 o clock


Yes exactly.
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At 12 o'clock is where the hard solder has been.
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I am negotiating with the seller. There are a number of more worn examples with jewelry pendants still attached for sale on ebay from France. They are around €180 shipped.

I own a cosimo III piastra with the pendant loop attached but paid far less... I understand the Innocent vii is a more interesting coin, but still considering it...
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