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1826 Capped Bust Half PCGS: She's 196 Years Old And Still Lookin' Good

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 Posted 03/02/2022  10:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jacrispies to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
PCGS had this way off. I will stick with my AU-55 cleaned, and would accept net AU-53 straight. There is hardly any wear on this coin, just on the tips of the high points.
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Great looking coin !
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 Posted 03/03/2022  03:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pristine2 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I understand why people so often assume rim-toned coins have been "cleaned". There are zillions of 19th century silver coins out there that have indeed been both cleaned and artificially toned.

I've had this coin under my scope and there is absolutely zero evidence that surfaces have ever been tampered with. No wide directional abrasions or chemical haloing. There are plenty of pocket rubs, which are very easy to distinguish from cleanings.

Natural rim toning happens when a coin sits in an acid-paper roll over many decades. This is an excellent example, and I daresay it commands a serious premium because of it.

While it's arguably AU-50, especially because of that nice remaining luster, the wear patterns match XF-45 to a T. Those aren't strike issues -- the relief of the coin is well above average. Just look at E Pluribus.


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 Posted 03/03/2022  9:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jacrispies to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
What a great coin to discuss!


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There are plenty of pocket rubs, which are very easy to distinguish from cleanings.

This I don't quite understand the difference myself. I am quick to call a pocket-rubbed coin cleaned because they all have the same appearance to me. I need to work on differentiating those two terms.


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Just look at E Pluribus.

Just because the band is well struck, doesn't mean that the entire coin is well struck. I see obvious strike weakness on the stars, cap, hair curls, olive branches, arrowheads, and of course the eagle's head, wings, and talons. Although this coin is better struck than many, the flat spots should not be confused with wear.

I look at the cheek, as the cheek is usually round on these 1820's half dollars when they are struck. On your coin, I see small plateau of wear covering about 2/3 of the cheek. The rest of Miss Liberty is still gleaming with original mint surfaces. This wear is consistent with many graded AU-53-55's, although the pocket rub hurts it for me, so I would personally net to a 53.

I'd love to hear others opinions, as this is a learning experience for me.
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This I don't quite understand the difference myself. I am quick to call a pocket-rubbed coin cleaned because they all have the same appearance to me. I need to work on differentiating those two terms.


I really need to get a scope that takes pictures ... it would make it much easier to explain.

Coins that have been cleaned have a highly directional pattern of microabrasions. These are often shadowed a little bit from the use of detergents or other chemicals that react with silver. (Even acetone, which doesn't react, can result in a "cleaned" detailing if used with a cloth to remove tarnish/toning. It all depends on how the process affects the surfaces.)

With pocket rubs, the microabrasions are visible but omni-directional, scattered in all directions -- and there is no shadowing. Their effect on luster is more subtle, too. This coin has lots of them.

I'm pretty sure I disagree on your assessment of the strike, but I will take another close look at the coin, especially the cheek.

You're of course correct that the band isn't the only thing to consider, but on mid-20s CBHs, it was always the first spot I was instructed to look at when assessing the strike, whereas the locations you mention are precisely the high points one checks for wear.

Intuitively it is easy to assume that the detail apparent on highest points on the coin reflect can reflect either wear or strike, but it isn't always so. Strike issues relate both to the force of the strike and to die wear & failure. Shallower portions of the die can wear before deeper portions, and detritus can accumulate anywhere on the die.

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jacrispies - I agree with your opinion on the assessment of this coin. this is one of the more difficult series to determine wear vs strike. I'm not a collector of them but have learned and studied them for several years attempting to learn the difference and I look at exactly what you laid out to help determine it. I agree with your assessment of an AU53-55 coin. the lettering, solid LIBERTY, stars, full clasp, cheek wear(which is very minor), luster and shield all point to a mid-AU coin. I'm wondering if these sometimes land in the hands of a grader thats not familiar with that aspect.

i believe the coin is under graded by at least 2 grades
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 Posted 03/04/2022  9:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MisterT to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Undergraded for sure but even at the assigned grade, the coin has outstanding eye appeal. One I would pounce on in a heartbeat.
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@panzaldi explains the subtleties well. An under-graded coin for sure.
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After a closer look, I think I was high the first time and this should be in an AU-53 holder. It does not have a great strike, but it is much better than XF-45.
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