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2013 D Cent Planchet Damage Prior To Strike

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 Posted 03/05/2022  08:37 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add captainkurt to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I'm sure this doesn't hold a premium as I feel like damage is damage whether it happened prior to striking or after a strike. I find it interesting and I don't come by too many of them. I did feel however that the many posters on here with Post mint damage coins might find it educational to see what a pre-strike damaged coin looks like.

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 Posted 03/05/2022  08:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cookiemonster to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have some of them too! don't know why I keep some but did. like how that get hit and not mess up the letters? Maybe the same year but ,I'm thinking I got more years then one.
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 Posted 03/05/2022  09:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SamCoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If you're talking about the region of the shield visible in the close up, it's just contact marks from other coins. The mint transports newly minted coins in large bags, and when coins are dumped into and out of these bags, they bump together leaving these small indents known as "bag marks." Just a very common form of PMD.

Also, "pre-mint damage" isn't a thing. Pre mint damage would be an error. This is just post mint damage.
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 Posted 03/05/2022  10:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 1847bill to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The motto you are showing is recessed. Bag marks will show in the field without damaging the letters.
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 Posted 03/05/2022  10:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add captainkurt to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Beg to differ with you cookiemonster. The hit was before the strike. If the hit happened after then the damage would be evident in the device's. It is my opinion that the hit occurred to the planchet and when the coin was struck the metal flowed into the voids creating raised areas inside the left sides of the devises inside the hits. Could be wrong but isn't it possible for hits to occurs to planchet s before the strike?
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03/05/2022 10:38 am
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 Posted 03/05/2022  10:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add captainkurt to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You got me thinking now, would the strike obliterate the hits on damaged planchets?
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The damage is post strike. That area has incuse devices. (Below the fields on the coin) An hit on an incuse area will leave an incuse mark on the coin.
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This is just damage to the coin. Happens a lot in circulation. If this were a coin with a premium, it would be considered a cull coin and be a face value coin and remove as much as 90% of the premium value. How can a die make incuse marks on the coins? The die is a negative. What is raised on the coin is sunk into (incuse) the die. So for the die to have raised areas on the coin, they have to have incuse areas on the die. For incuse devices on the coins, the die would have to have raised areas on the die, to make those incuse marks. IF you take a piece of aluminum foil and press it into the face of the coin, it will show you what a die looks like. Look at the opposite side of the foil, then you will see a copy of the face of a coin. Dies are negatives, coins are positives. That is how they are setup to create coins.
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Note the devices are mirror looking on a die. The rim is formed on the gutter on the outside edge of the die. Note it is lower than the fields. That is how it forms the protective rim to make the coins last longer in circulation.

CoopHome: How are incuse devices created? Why does damage not affect them, unless the contact marks are real deep?
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 Posted 03/05/2022  12:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SamCoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@captainkurt I assume you meant to @ me, not cookiemonster since I was the one who said it's post-strike. The devices you're looking at are incuse, which is why the damage hasn't affected them.
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