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Valued Member
United States
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Hi All,
I posted in the grading section and didn't feel exactly welcomed there. with an immediate response from members to lock it and require I post a photo or CCF won't help.
I hope it was just the thread and not a general change in CCF in general. I've found this site to be welcoming and supportive. All of which that location was not.
I may have found a copper 1983 penny. I really don't know where to start. But I assume putting it in a flip and not handle it any more with my fingers.
It weighs 3.1g, rings like a copper and doesn't appear to be a magician coin. Any help would be appreciated in what I should do next.
Is this something that should be graded/authenticated in person? I've never mailed coins to grading centers before so that process is anxiety provoking.
Any help would be appreciated. ~JobIII
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Moderator
 United States
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I recommend posting a few good photos here on CCF so we can try and help you. If you must send it in, ANACS charges the least. John1 
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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again you will need to post photos. to get a good response..
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
94367 Posts |
We'll need solid pics of both sides to help, on this thread or any other. How can you possibly confuse being asked for pics with "not feeling welcomed"? Please explain. 
Edited by Coinfrog 03/16/2022 7:44 pm
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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If you're not familiar or comfortable with submitting coins to a third-party grading service, keep in mind that many dealers will submit a coin for you for a nominal charge over the ordinary submission costs. A dealer may also be able to provide an opinion on the coin before you sent it in.
Shipping with USPS Registered mail is safe and very secure, and can be insured up to $50,000, so you shouldn't have any anxiety about sending it in.
There's not a lot of other advice to give without seeing pics of the coin. Pics would enable opinions on authenticity before you went to the trouble of submitting, but that's your choice.
Member of SPMC, FCCB, ANA and ANS. My U.S. Classic Commemorative Complete Set: https://www.NGCcoin.com/registry/co...sets/278741/My U.S. Fractional Note Set: https://notes.www.collectors-societ...eSetID=34188
Edited by hokiefan_82 03/16/2022 8:18 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Due to the nature of an Internet message board, we are limited without pictures. All we know is that is a 1983 that you believe is copper. With pictures, we can see some of the details of the coin and help provide more context and knowledge. We aren't trying to be difficult. We're just asking for a little more input so we can help give an output of substance.
There have been others who showed up here with "I think I have something rare" and they turned out to be right and hit paydirt. But the majority of these posts have something more common. Rare is rare for a reason and stuff is often the common version. We get almost as exited for being a part of the journey for the rare stuff though! It keeps these boards fun!
If you are already convinced it's a rare error, ANACS is reputable, doesn't have membership or handling fees, and you can just send in the one for their opinion.
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Rest in Peace
United States
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You can just mail it to a member whom has a camera (like me). 
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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If you believe you have a transitional cooper coin strike in 1983, then you need to submit it to one of the 3rd party and get it authenticated.
But posting clear sharp pictures here would help you eliminate certain possibilities.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Eager to see pics and learn what's next.
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Moderator
 Australia
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Quote: I posted in the grading section and didn't feel exactly welcomed there. with an immediate response from members to lock it and require I post a photo or CCF won't help. It's not that CCF won't help, it's that, without pictures, we literally can't help. Coins posted in the Grading subforum are posted there because people are asking for opinions about the grade of a coin - and no-one can offer any such opinions if there's no pictures to judge by. Without pictures, all you will get in the Grading subforum is dozens of people, all asking you for pictures. That's why the thread was locked. Now, you're asking two separate questions here. There's the question in the thread title, which is a general question about what I would do in a hypothetical situation. Then there's the question in your OP post, which is a much more specific question about what you, specifically, should do with this one specific coin you have found which you believe might be a 1983 copper penny. In answer to the first question, the obvious answer is "get some advice". Coming on an Internet forum is a good start; other options are taking the coin to an "expert" so they can look at it in person. That "expert" might be a coin dealer, or a member of a local coin club; a local coin show is usually a good opportunity to meet both of those kinds of experts. The TPGs are "experts for hire", and could certainly offer their opinion, but since they charge fees for their opinions, you'd really want to first run it past a couple of other experts who offer their opinions for free. If all the experts you show it to on the Internet and in person agree that you might actually have something rare and unusual, then (and only then) should you consider sending it to a TPG. In answer to your second question, about your specific coin. Pictures would certainly help us to tell, for example, that it really is a 1983 coin and not just, say, a 1963 coin with a damaged date, or a Chinese counterfeit, or some other "obvious-from-a-photo" explanation. The 1983 copper penny is a rare coin, and the primary distinction between the super-rare 1983 copper penny and the perfectly normal 1983 zinc penny is the weight, so we'd also like to see some objective evidence of the weight - for example, pictures of the coin sitting on a balance reading "3.1 grams", as well as pictures of a pre-1982 and post-1983 cent sitting on the same balance (so we can be certain that the balance is accurate). If you can provide all these clear pictures, then it's highly likely that the experts here on the forum will all agree that your coin is likely to be a genuine rarity. If clear pictures of your coin are impossible to obtain, then you really only have two choices: show nobody, and forever be uncertain as to whether your coin is worth 1 cent or $23,000, or you physically take it to other experts so they can see it in person. But, as I said above, I wouldn't recommend that you send it in to a TPG unless you had reasonable assurance from multiple experts, either here on the forum or elsewhere, that you wouldn't be wasting your money; submitting a coin that is potentially worth tens of thousands of dollars to a TPG is not cheap. And I'd really only recommend sending to a TPG if (a) you intend to sell the coin, or (b) the coin is in extremely high grade and you are worried about preserving it properly.
Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Your question on your title and post are very different. First to your question/comment. If you don't post a picture and if the picture isn't clear/in focus/ properly white balanced and properly exposed no one can give you an accurate grade. Now onto your title, if I thought I had a valuable coin, I would do research on my own before I come to an Internet forum. I would check Red Book, look up other resources and at least have a 75%+ feeling that the coin was valuable. Then I would come on here to confirm my suspicions. CCF is just one of many resources but I wouldn't just take the feedback from this place. I would try to get confirmation from other sources.
Edited by hfjacinto 03/16/2022 10:38 pm
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And in answer to the thread-title question, I can offer what I actually did, the only time I was ever placed in anywhere near a similar situation to the OP. Back in August 1999, I purchased an old coin from WWI-era Poland, from a local dealer for $2. When I brought it home, it wasn't listed in my 1988 edition Krause world coin catalogue. A few years later, I bought a new catalogue, and it still wasn't listed; in 2006, another catalogue upgrade but it still wasn't listed. A coin that is "not in Krause" only once might be an error in the catalogue, but if it's missing three times, something odd is going on. By this time, I was involved on the coin forums, so I posted about it here on CCF and simultaneously over on the CU forum (which is run by PCGS), not really expecting much of a reply. Turns out, it's a rather rare coin, on account of it never actually being officially issued for circulation due to a fire at the Stuttgart mint while they were being made. You needed a specialist Polish or German coin catalogue to find out this information. The forum members (especially over at CU/PCGS) said I really ought to get it slabbed. So, what have I "done about it" since? Nothing. I haven't had it slabbed, haven't sold it, haven't really done anything else with it except show it around at coin club meetings, telling the story. It's still sitting in the 2x2 I bought it in, with the $2 pricetag still attached to it. I, personally, don't think I "need" to do anything else with it, since I don't plan on selling it. It's made of iron, so it'll rust easily if left exposed to moist air, but sitting in a 2x2 in a coin album in an airconditioned room it should be safe enough. And no, I never got to share the good news with the dealer who sold it to me. He'd retired, shut up shop and moved town by 2006.
Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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If you truly believe it is a copper 1983 cent and it passed the weight test, it should be authenticated. If you don't feel comfortable mailing it to the TPG, you will need to attend a show where the TPG is providing walkthrough service. This means you will need to attend the show and should get their early on the first day of the show. Be aware that the show walkthrough services is considerably more costly than a regular submission. Frankly mailing it by registered mail would be muc easier and probably just as safe as delivering it yourself for walkthrough, and much cheaper.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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All great advice but myself, I'd just put it in my Albums.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Agree with Sap's 9:19pm post from yesterday--100%
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Yep, that says it pretty well.
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