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I bought this coin online for 80$ do you guys have any info on it / is it authentic  |
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 to the CCF We really need a clear picture of both sides to be able to help you. |
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to the Community! I added the photo to you post. |
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Looks like a Spanish 8 Real but need a full photo of reverse to identify.
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to the CCF! |
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Pillar of the Community
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Jimmy D nailed it. Spanish Piece of Eight. Hope it is genuine. Member Swamper Bob can help with authentication.
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thanks for your welcome wishes!!!
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Interesting coin. How much does it weigh in grams? It looks suspicious, almost like someone copied a Durango coin and modified the mint mark to Zacatecas. Also, I only see one variety of 1822 Zs coin in Calbeto and this one is very different.
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These "I bought this, is it real?" posts are always amusing. Nevertheless, the coin itself is interesting to us Spanish Colonial geeks, so...
Firstly, it's not a modern forgery/fake - it is "of that time". Beyond that, the dies were attractively and capably engraved, but as threefifty touched on, the detail (bust, castles most obviously) isn't quite right for the usual 1822 style seen (far less quantity/variety of that date than for the ubiquitous 1821 dates... whether for genuine, debased, or contemporary counterfeit examples).
And, indeed, the piece is a die match to Riddell #79, which the Monograph... shows as .285 fine. Swamperbob's book/pic files show several examples.
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To any moderator... can the title of this be magically changed to "1822 Mexico Zacatecas 8 Reales coin ID" or something similar? This is a useful study piece and doing so would of course help people searching for info on 1822 Zacatecas varieties/contemporary counterfeits find this thread. Google results get bogged down when the important keywords are only in later posts, not the title.
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So we think it's a 200 year old coin ?
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We think it's a 200 year old counterfeit coin - that is, a counterfeit coin made sometime shortly after 1822, for the counterfeiter to use as spending money - as opposed to a counterfeit coin made last week in China to try to fool collectors. It is made of debased silver, as opposed to the fine silver that genuine 8 reales coins would have been made of. 1822 was a chaotic year to be in Mexico. The war of independence was mostly over, Spanish loyalists were on the retreat, and Augustin Iturbide had proclaimed himself Emperor of Mexico. In such anarchistic times, real money (from either side of the war) was scarce, so people made their own. It wasn't legal, but the Royalist remnant had more things to worry about than chasing down counterfeiters. This coin claims to be from the Zacatecas mint; that mint in central Mexico (and the nearby gold and silver mine that powered it) hadn't been in Royalist hands since 1811. It should be pointed out that while owning, buying or selling counterfeit coins like this isn't illegal, ebay currently prohibits the sale of all counterfeit coins, even 200 year old ones. I will edit the title as per realeswatcher's request. Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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I should also point out that, even though it's a counterfeit and ebay will refuse to let you sell it as a counterfeit, that doesn't mean it's worthless and nobody wants it. Folks like Swamperbob are avid collectors and students of contemporary counterfeit Mexican coinage, and are prepared to pay decent money for "genuine counterfeits". I think $80 would be an extremely fair price for such a piece. Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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