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A few years ago I bought some bits online, just because I thought they were interesting. Amongst them this treasury bill which has the bottom torn off.

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I didn't think much about its value, its not the sort of thing that appears in my caralogues.

I noticed something similar on the thumnail to a video about the most valuable notes and it showed number 8 complete sold for $131,000.

Apparrently there were 9 and all were destrpyed except bumber 7 and number 8.

Number 7 was sold at auction for £8000 in 1973 and was at that time intact.

Mine is numbered 7 and has the signature torn off the bottom. I pressume it must be a counterfeit but it seems strange to counterfeit a cancelled item of which 2 exist and why is it torn I wonder.

Anyway opinions welcome, did you ever turn up something potentially valuable and did it turn out yo be a bust or a jackpot?

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 Posted 04/07/2022  07:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nfine to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
#7 sold for $87,360 in 2011 and was intact at that point as well.

https://news.coinupdate.com/celebra...-at-auction/

I don't see the watermarks on your example, are they visible in hand?
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04/07/2022 07:39 am
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I don't have it to hand but I found a photo from the auction and the serial looks brighter red and slightly fatter print so I pressume I have a counterfeit.
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Possibly a photo copy.
Notice the top has also been ripped off also.
Did you check for a watermark.
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I assume the Ink would be raised on this document (Intaglio Printing) like on stock certificates etc...
Is the ink raised?
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The Million Pound Note was a Gregory Peck movie from 1954. You don't suppose there is a tie in with the movie?
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-tender.html

A copy of an article with a photo.

I will pull the note out and check for watermarks etc when I get a chance but its not to hand at the moment.

Info from wikipedia

Nine £1 million notes were issued in connection with the Marshall Plan on 30 August 1948, signed by E.E. Bridges, and were used internally as "records of movement" for a six-week period, along with other denominations, with total face value of £300 million, corresponding to a loan from the U.S. to help shore up the UK Treasury. These were cancelled on 6 October 1948, and presumably destroyed, except for the £1 million "Number Seven" and "Number Eight" notes (serial numbers 000007 and 000008), which were given to the UK and U.S. treasury secretaries. These two have been in private hands since 1977, and most recently, the "Number Eight" was auctioned for £69,000. These are "Treasury Notes" issued on Bank of England paper, and indicate "It states: 'This Treasury note entitles the Bank of England to payment of one million pounds on demand out of the Consolidated Fund of the United Kingdom'." A third note surfaced recently on the collector market, dated 8 September 2003, serial number R016492, and it is signed by Andrew Turnbull, Secretary to the Treasury, and cancelled.

Until 2006, these Treasury Notes were issued by the Bank of England, in the City of London. HM Treasury would manage its cash and ensure that adequate funds were available. London's banks and other financial institutions would bid for these instruments, at a discount, specifying which day the following week they wanted the bills issued. Maturities would be for one, three, six, or theoretically but not practically, twelve months. The tenders were for the face value of the Treasury Notes, less a discount, which represented the interest rate. This system was replaced by a computerised system by the Debt Management Office, which is an executive agency of HM Treasury, and the last Treasury Notes were printed in September 2003. These notes would often get traded to other banks, so they did circulate; this was done without the Bank of England's knowledge, and the notes would be redeemed by the Bank of England on their date of maturity by the bearer.[citation needed]

This circulating nature of the notes led to the robbery on 2 May 1990, of John Goddard, a messenger for the money broker Sheppards, with £292 million in Treasury bills and certificates of deposit having been stolen. All but two of these have been recovered.[2]

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Just comparing the photos its funny an effort was obviously made to crease mine in the same places...
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It is not the same note. The crease runs through the N in the watermarked note. The posted note has it creased on the D.
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Very curious; will be waiting to hear a bit more about this!
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