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This thing is crazy it has obverse markings: 1.die scratch East from right lower earlobe to hair curl 2. Die crack from bottom of neck right apex to left side of closest star flynn in (1st ed. 2005 "auth ref on barber qtrs pg 58) says die crack from 2 of date into into then East into star. On reverse: big honker die chip in first and 2nd S of states. I look and look at this thing and it takes effort to see the tripling its all over but especially UNITED the Stars and DOLLAR the rest of the coin shows real tight faint tripling and is kind of a let down as far as TDR goes. I definitely could use eagle eyes on it, this things tripled and has puny serifs but their there. As for TDR 001 I lean towards QDR - 006 but 006 is type 2 rev and this is type I rev? Enjoy and look forward to comments. Rotten pics but best my old eyes can get. Coin looks nice alot of luster on reverse - obv may have been cleaned but shows some luster. It has the markings but leaves me with more questions than answers, compared 4 different MS TDR 001 coin pics and some have: none, one, or both S Of STATES with fat die chip. Its going in for attribution but am hesitant to smash a blue PCI slab I read their scarce.      |
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Please start with cropped, full-size images of obverse and revere.
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 That's alot of help coinfrog. LOL ok got it crop/full paying attention, thank you. Coinfrog if this things the TDR 001 its a let down as you have to roll your head in 270 degrees to see little tiny triple lines. I wonder if these 1892's have about 15 miner DDDr's to drive journeymen die hunters crazy? |
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I do see some possibility of tripling. Any chance you could provide some clear closeups? With a variety like this that's not so easy to see, I think closeups are your best bet here. QUARTER and UNITED would be the best area to look at based off of FS-801 on CoinFacts. I don't have any reference to see if any other DDR's could match for this date. -CH27 Collector of U.S. Coins, Varieties, and Colonial Coinage
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It's definitely Reverse I if that helps you. Die cracks off the bottom of the bust are so common that I wouldn't use it as a positive ID for anything, honestly. You posted decent closeups of the obverse - how about some of the actual tripling/quadrupling? I zoomed in on your first reverse image and what I see is MD.
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Here is a pic. courtesy of PCGScoinfacts of an unattributed MS63 1892 reverse type I. Note the same obverse die markings and reverse die chip on first S of STATES. Blue holder PCI slabs on u.s. coins are not rare their circa 2015 so crack! out it goes. Will get pics of it out of slab. Everything matches up sort of? Am a little underwhelmed as after you twirl whirl hold sideways and tap on floor 3 times you finally see tripling. I don't know maybe this type I reverse DDR variety is like those 1970's DDO proof silver Ike dollars - that being more are hub doubled than not? LOL not complaining as the reason I bought it was the type I reverse and a gamble it might get an MS 62 straight at ANACS. From digging up pics of attributed FS - 801 examples by NGC and PCGS I notice their all a little different i.e. die chips in STATES and level of doubling are not exact. Taking die state into account this TDR imo leaves me more questions than answers.  |
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Very nice looking coin. Most of the time they are not that nice.
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My 1892-P Rev1 also has die chips in the S's but no hint of any doubling. Found several others on Heritage with similar chips.  |
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kbbpil now that's a blue bird barber nice coin. No expert but dived into the 92 TDR and the info is discombobulating and then poof drops off a cliff. I don't know there is a bunch of these and when worn die markings go away it's hard for anyone to nail down if there's one or several 1892 TDR reverse type 1. I'm not up to the challenge of research and writing so will get this in a slab and take lots of pics before it goes to ANACS to share at some other point.
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Beautiful coin ! I hope you have more success than I had with my 92 quarter. Mine is a tripled or possibly even quadrupled obverse die. Never could nail it down. Here is the WE on it.  |
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Mine is an AU58 and I purchased it early this year to have a Rev1 example. Now I see that it is a good match with the S die chips seen on this Heritage example, which says "Minute doubling is evident on a few letters on the reverse, including QUA and UNITED, and the top curves of the first and last S are partially filled. Those reverse die characteristics are similar to both varieties 102 and 103 in The Complete Guide to Barber quarters by David Lawrence. " https://coins.ha.com/itm/barber-qua...bnail-071515 The images on that Heritage listing are quite good, and show the doubling in Quarter. The Lawrence reference is here: https://archive.org/details/compgui...n33/mode/2upPerhaps 102 and 103 are really the same? I guess I'll have to haul out the microscope. My S die chips seem to be a match, but multiple dies could also chip in those places in the same fashion. I see now that my STATES shows some doubling. HA top, mine below.  You and @stoneman227 might consider getting in touch with the varieties team at the BCCS journal. They're making an effort to ramp up their varieties section, and if either of yours is previously unknown maybe consider writing an article. |
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I found this one on PCGS https://www.PCGS.com/cert/40240699. Rev1, has the die chip only in the first S (like yours?), and looks to be tripling in QUARTER at the bottoms of some letters. Also note the doubling/tripling in the branch stem and tail.  Edited by kbbpll
04/15/2022 11:41 am
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Awesome kbbpil yes its high time I join the bccs I'm a total nut for half's and quarters and dimes are on the horizon. Thankfully I hoarded over 300 raw lowgrades from dealers from 2017 - 2019 looking for originals I didn't need. doubles triples quadruples of common but not actually so common dates. Made alot of mistakes and still making them but man I can smell original G-F 7 feet away. Caught tail end of cheap barbers and today these things are 25-40 bucks each. How about that 1905 O? I'm getting way out there in barberspace.
Im theorizing their are 2 TDR type 1 reverses myself. Coin I have is doubled all over minutely has some serifs arrows doubled but not moderate doubling anywhere? More to follow.
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Stoneman that's a wicked quad die...no pic of that one in cherrypick handbook. I pour through the nueman portal searching these old timers books whole lot of stuff out there. Gotta say it " Machine Doubling" no just kidding. Maybe we both need to get these to bccs? |
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