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IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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Pillar of the Community
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Sellers pics I'm assuming? Too dark to accurately judge surfaces. Looks to me like broken luster on the higher points of the obverse, light wear. Some lighter circulation marks/disturbance of luster in the fields. I'll wait for in hand pics, but a tentative AU58, might very well be MS.
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04/14/2022 09:15 am
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the lighting is a little weak to see the surfaces very well. not sure if all the luster is still there or not. if it was circulated I would expect to see some marks on it and I'm not seeing enough to think that it was. I wish we could see the surfaces better. AU58, MS63+ or even MS64 is on the table. may way you can get better light on this one? even at 58 its a decent price for a $20 piece.
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I don't know if these are better. I'm seeing very nice cartwheel luster on both sides.   IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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Bedrock of the Community
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i agree you have some luster there but the high points on the hair may be circulation wear/rub. the more I look at it the more it looks like it had light circulation
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It is hard to believe that this coin saw circulation but acquired no hits this being a very heavy coin struck in the softest of metals.
IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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There appears to be two bumps in the hair below the ear. Are these bumps or marks from a hit?
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Bedrock of the Community
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looks like two small hits
IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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Your pics NS or seller's?
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Bedrock of the Community
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These are the seller's pics.
IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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Too dark = seller hiding something.
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Bedrock of the Community
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Can't grade from these photos.
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The scuff/chatter in front of the forehead/eye along with a couple of small hits at the base of the neck are the only distracting areas I see on the obverse...no major hits on the reverse that I can see.
I'm not a fan of the toning...but looking at recent sales of these...seems like they all have it.
An MS63 sold recently at DL for $2650...and yours looks way nicer. Two 64's sold recently at SB...one for $3840 and the other for $7200...I think your looks every bit as good as these.
MS64 for me.
Look fwd to in hand pics.
smat
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I agree with most of smat45s comments. Luster is a huge grading factor on gold though so without more light I'd guess 63.
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I'm not convinced that all the luster is there.
almost all the circulated $20 gold pieces have seen a slight drop in recent weeks. if this coin is AU58 then the price is full retail. if its MS63 then its a decent price. if its 64 then its a great price. I think these are the only choices
although there are very few marks on the coin, based on these photos, all the high points of hair are showing slight wear as well as the wings (especially the right wing)
I'm going with AU58 and that the photos are attempting to hide that. I would agree that if it was circulated it was pulled fairly quick
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