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What do you think about this coin? This coin is not mine. One of my friend (Local club) ask me to analyze this coin for him and I was authaurized to share this nice finding. It's a 1978 25 cents struck on a 5 cents 1975. Weight : 4.58 g (5 cents) Magnetic The reeding is weak. The 5 cents reverse signature is quite visible. We can see some legend letters on the observe, under the Bust. Thanks for sharing other observations.          Edited by SP67
04/14/2022 10:29 am
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Those are errors that are tricky. I have handled 25c struck on 5c that were legit: http://www.PCGS.com/Cert/31910138.html But there are lots out there that were pressed by soft dies, all from the mid-late 1970s. So that said, that's a coin I won't make a judgement based upon online photos. It has to be examined in hand. The example below is a soft die pressed fake error - try and spot the differences from the PCGS link above, using only photos. This is a 1974 25c that someone pressed over a 1976 5c (which makes it a bit more obvious as a fake). Where the fields meet the rim and rim edges, are usually where I look.  "Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert OppenheimerContent of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_USMy eBay store
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Me personally I think it's fake since you have two different dates on it. Done after minting. A 1978 over a 1975 or a 1975 over a 1978. Just my thinking. But I could be wrong
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Pillar of the Community
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What are the odds that there was no human intervention even if this coin was produced at the Mint?
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
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iI'll bow to SPP on this, but instinct says that it's a man-made fake.
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Different dates is not reason for dismiss the coin. Look at the link SPP gave, a coin I know very well.
I have doubts both ways on this coin. Would love to see it in hand.
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Thanks for your answers.
I understand this is a tough coin. I'm working on it !
Thanks SPP-Ottawa for your few exemples. That will be quite usefull for me.
A 3 years differences seems impossible, but why not? SPP-Ottowa shows us a 2-years difference.
But now I need to have a better understanding of the soft die process to detect fake error.
So I have a question. Is there a collar involved to fake errors with the soft dies method?
I'm asking that because we see clearly see the weak reeding on the coin I'm presenting. We know that the 5 cents has a smooth edge.
I was always thinking that the Soft die pressing method is done without collar.
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The fake example I provided above, had very carefully constructed reeding filed in. The point here is don't underestimate someone who is really bored, or determined.
"Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert OppenheimerContent of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_USMy eBay store
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Keep in mind that the term "error" in this instance only serves to distinguish coins produced at the mint from those made in someone's shop.
It is most likely that these double-dated, wrong planchet "errors" were made with the helping hand of Mint employees seeking entertainment or profit.
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
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Did your coin get graded ?
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@TerryT Wow! Thanks for the link. 9 years difference.... Going back to my coin, I have hard time to confirm if it's a soft die or not. I'm too rookie for this kind of error I guess  Considering that the coin is coming from the Mint, it's probably hard to say if it's a legit or a man-assisted strike. What would be the best way to go if my friend wants certification of his coin? |
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If you want the big bucks send to PCGS
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 - the person who evaluates and attributes error submissions, Jon Sullivan, has experience with recognition of soft die alterations. If it's legit, it'll be well worth the PCGS fees. "Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert OppenheimerContent of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_USMy eBay store
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If not the product of soft dies:
First, for sure this is an assisted error as there is no way this kind of "recycling" planchets is part of the Mint usual production process.
Second, if accidental or on purpose, is anyone's guess and irrelevant to the coin on hand.
Now, if you are ready to spend >100 bucks, send it to PCGS, describing the double date (an agent will assist you) and asking for certification. If real, this coin can easily reach close or above 1K. If bodybagged, there are individuals who amass fabrications to make sure they will never reach the market. SPP can direct you to one of them.
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