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Pillar of the Community
Italy
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Hello, I have an idea on this one - 1622 Philip iv ?- but any leads would be appreciated. Also, it looks like it was given a clean, but any suggestions on how to break down the black on the reverse? Anything to help see the coins better. I think this coin in a prime candidate for a clean. Thanks in advance.   |
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Valued Member
United States
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I would seek professional help on whether to clean or have conservation on the coin. Usually in the older ancient coins it is not done. I could be wrong though. My advice would not to clean.
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Pillar of the Community
 Italy
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Thanks @saturn. I am hoping to attribute first to see if it's worth going further with...
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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With a heart-shaped shield, I am pretty sure this is not a normal coin, maybe some kind of love token?
I agree the arms are Spanish (or Spanish colonial, or Spanish Netherlands ...)
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Pillar of the Community
Italy
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@tdziemia that's what throwing me off. And... Of course... The completely blackened out reverse. It weighs 3.37, so close to a 1 reale.
Any suggestions on cleaning for help in identifying?
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Pillar of the Community
Italy
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I am getting 1 Tari, kingdom of Naples... But without the reverse, hard to tell.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Nice! I think you got it.  It looks like the coin has been clipped down to a smaller size (perhaps to emphasize the heart?), which explains the lower weight and lack of legend around the shield. Perhaps it was mounted in a way that damaged the other side? It seems unusual that the shield side has a "normal" state of wear but the portrait side is so corroded/damaged. https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces52253.htmlEdit: I think the small amount of detail on the other side corresponds reasonably to the obverse of the 1 Tari coin. I have taken your photo and rotated it counterclockwise 90 degrees. The two visible, raised features which are at about 90 degrees relative to each other might correspond to the collar (or vestments) and crown, remembering that these features will be closer to the edge because the coin has been clipped a lot (please excuse my poor photo editing skills):  Edited by tdziemia
04/15/2022 08:42 am
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Pillar of the Community
Italy
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@tdziemia ... Not poor editing at all... You're a boss for confirming my hunch.
Bigger question... Is it worth (the coin, potential damage, etc.) Baking soda, foil, and boiling water?
I can't see how I could cause much more damage than has already been done.
Of course, I'll try warm water first ... But let me know what you think.
I found this coin in Turin in a bargain bag with a few other corroded coppers for €6.
A few of the coppers are Italian 10 cent coins... Etc.
Where in the u.s. are you? You reply to my posts frequently and looking to get to know forum members a little better.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Ciao, @Roma. Sono in Columbus, Ohio. In the past I travelled to Ferrara for my work, but now am retired from that job, so I must pay from my own pocket to travel to Italy  . Last time I visited was 2013 (the normal touristic circuit: Firenze, Venezia, Roma because I travelled with someone who had not visited some of these places). I have some older Italian coins in my collection (mostly Ferrara, Firenze, Venezia) but am always trying to learn more. So when I see your questions, it helps me learn! For example, I now know there is a coin with a heart-shaped shield! On the cleaning question, I think the shield side looks OK, so I would be worried about trying to improve the other side, but then making the shield side look worse. SO, if there is a way to just attack the portrait side to improve it, I think that could be OK. It looks like there is very little detail there anyhow, but maybe you see more possibility with the coin "in hand."  Edited by tdziemia
04/16/2022 12:06 pm
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Pillar of the Community
Italy
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So I suspect these coins were dug up fairly recently. A very gentle clean and this is the result. The portrait side is heavily pitted and corroded; little detail remains. I doubt I did much damage to the (very) low value of this coin, but it's still cool to have. I may run it under another thread to see if it was cut for commerce or ...   |
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Posted 04/14/2022 3:15 pm
