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 Posted 02/05/2009  9:28 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add huntercav to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I've been looking for some info regarding CAC. Does anyone know what percentage of coins submitted to them get stickered and is there any sort of census regarding the coins they have stickered? Going to their website will only verify individual coins.
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 Posted 02/06/2009  6:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add onejinx to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
As far as I know there is no census on slabs they have stickered. I don't know if they would publish a percentage of slabs submitted that have gotten stickered.

Just like if you see a dealer selling CAC stickered slabs and slabs with no stickers, I doubt the dealer will tell you if they have submitted the non-stickered slabs.
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 Posted 02/13/2009  12:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Five4fighting to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
To me, it would be a wast of money to do this lol. I trust NGC and PCGS to have been accurately graded. (ICG and ANACS I kinda trust, but not as much as first 2)
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 Posted 02/15/2009  11:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add norseman012 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think five4fighting is right I would really only consider having it sticker if the slab came from a second or third rate TPG's. Its just another way to separate you from your money that you can use for other coins
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I'm not a fan of this. Why do I need a sticker or better yet, someone else telling me that it's "choice for the grade". If you want to pay a premium for a coin just because this little sticker was put on it's slab, that's up to the buyer. I'll stay on the sidelines.
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 Posted 02/15/2009  11:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add breakintheweb to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Actually, the green stickers are just saying they agree with the grade on the slab. I believe the yellow stickers are the ones the ones that say it's preimium for the grade.
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 Posted 02/18/2009  07:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add huntercav to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am in agreement about the whole CAC concept. At what point does it stop? But, to play devil's advocate, the acceptance the sticker is receiving is pointing to a problem even with the top echelon TPGs and their evolving standards. Buyers are paying a premium for that little green football and the feeling of additional security it carries.

I have written elsewhere here about CAC and I want to tell about my experience.

Submitting something to them is not as easy as it should be. Some dealers listed as submission centers dont want to do it for whatever reason. Others seem confused as to pricing and or the process. I dont know if this is a reflection on CAC or the dealers themselves. One older, established local dealer that I have done business with in the past told me they had stopped submitting because of a "mix up" and obviously wouldn't elaborate.

I finally submitted a coin through a very large national dealer and it went about as smoothly and as effortlessly as I could ask. It cost 35.00 and the turn around was less than a month door to door. I called this dealer, asked about the service and was told an exact price and was made to feel very comfortable. Perhaps this guy just has his act together?

To finish the story, the slab came back with the sticker on it. That was why I had my original question regarding percentages stickered etc. I am thinking of selling this coin and want to have a firm grasp as to how much this may have made this coin stand out (if at all really)?
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 Posted 08/08/2009  2:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Electric_Op_Ltd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You know, I just came across this post. I have seen the "CAC" sticker thing around, and wondered just what the heck it was all about...

...and I come to find out we have FOURTH PARTY GRADING. Great. There is so much debate out there as to just what type of cachet (sp?) a TPG slab really conveys. You have a nice coin, it comes back a 65. You have a not-so-nice coin come back a 65... so what does it mean?

It means crap. It means I payed a prefessional 30 USD to grade it, and encapsulate it. So I got a pro to grade it, better than I could have done, and a nice permanent home for my coin. You're supposed to buy the coin and not the holder, but the mere existence of a sight-unseen market tells you a different story. The whole coins-as-commodities boom and bust we saw in the 80's tells you the rest.

So the next time you want to buy a slabbed coin, think of all this and ignore the CAC sticker. That goes for the coins I sell too. I have one coin that I look at every day, and I really am not happy with it and it came back a 63, probably due to the nice strike and lack of markings. But I see a dull example if I look at it from a collectors standpoint. Now, I could find someone to give me what I want for it, but if I price it differently, I can get it sold more quickly. Eye appeal, or shall I say the viewer's *subjective* impression, matters the most at all times. You can put all the stickers you want on it, it still looks like crap

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 Posted 08/08/2009  8:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add steve kuznicki to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Are the Chinese making CAC stickers yet? It looks like a real opportunity.
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 Posted 08/09/2009  10:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hippiebrian to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Soon TGP is going to stand for 27th party grading! Really. other than the top 4, how many companies have to look at my coins before I am "allowed" to feel safe about them?
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I wonder how much money CAC has made off of this little sticker?
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I just went to CAC's website, and they list all their prices as TBD? How are we supposed to know if it's worth it to get a graded coin verified (OK, it's not worth it, but come on...)?
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 Posted 12/22/2009  7:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add arktekt3j to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Can't believe we have so many people running around believing that this sticker means anything.

Buy the coin, not the slab or the sticker. If you can't grade a coin yourself, don't buy it. Period.
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 Posted 12/23/2009  12:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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If you can't grade a coin yourself, don't buy it. Period.


Unfortunately, there are a whole lot of coin collectors out there who lack your vast expertise, because they haven't learned yet. How would you propose that they learn to grade without owning coins?
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 Posted 12/23/2009  11:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I would really only consider having it sticker if the slab came from a second or third rate TPG's.

CAC will not sticker coins from second or third rate TPG's.


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Why do I need a sticker or better yet, someone else telling me that it's "choice for the grade".

Why do I need someone else to tell me what the grade of my coin is? And then pay to have someone else agree with what the first person said? You're out $60 to $70 just to have someone tell you something you should be able to determine yourself by looking at the coin. (Yes I know just buy the coin already stickered, but someone had to pay that money and they are going to be getting back somehow in higher prices for the coin. If that wasn't true then a raw coin a slabbed coin, and a stickered coin of a given grade would all sell for the same price.
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Unfortunately, there are a whole lot of coin collectors out there who lack your vast expertise, because they haven't learned yet. How would you propose that they learn to grade without owning coins?

Superdave,

Live and learn. Trial and error. Pay attention. And my favorite. Buy books and do some research prior to buying any coin. But that's me.
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