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Having had some success with the CNG auctions I decided to try out Sedwick. I've purchased cobs from him for years but never tried out the auctions. The 20% buyer's fee is stiff, but he has such a huge number of listings.
Some of the items are selling for far over high estimates, especially gold cobs and silver royals. "Two minutes ago I would have sold my chances for a tired dime." Fred Astaire
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20% is a stiff hit. I remember when 17.5% was outrageous, while most were at 10% where will it end? 20% is fast becoming the norm in auctions. I've never bid on a Sedwick auction myself, but Frank (RIP) and Daniel are stand up guys from everything I've heard from friends and others in the business. I have listened to a lot of Daniel's videos lately and learn a lot from his knowledge. Prices seem to be pretty strong in the auction today, https://www.sedwickcoins.com is the site, click on Treasure Auctions to attend virtually and see some amazing pieces of pirate booty! I don't have a cob but one of these days I will be buying one. Got a HUGE (in the low to mid five figure) medical bill this month to take care of - ouch.
"Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2˘ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440
Edited by westcoin 05/04/2022 3:15 pm
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So far it's been entertaining to watch. So many cobs all in one place. Normally I see one or two of interest on ebay but usually nothing worth bidding on. There are very few coin dealers who even have one to look at. The most interesting of all of them was Harlan J. Berk in Chicago, which at one time had a box full of 1665-1671 Potosi 4R's to pick over and haggle on. Very few people had any interest in them. I went back many times to pick up another one. In this auction all of them would sell, for 5-10x what I was paying for them. I won one 8R at its midrange estimate (and what I consider a fair price for a cob), and lost two to bids 25-50% over high range. The live auction really chases the prices up. If you really want to win certain coins you have to participate.
"Two minutes ago I would have sold my chances for a tired dime." Fred Astaire
Edited by thq 05/04/2022 10:07 pm
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Yep I watched the first session that went long, most pieces were bringing way over estimates and a few were 4 or 5 times over. Prices are strong for better and scarce material today.
I saw it at the Syd Martin literature auction last Saturday, very strong bids on just about everything offered. I did win two out of 4 lots I bid on, but they cost me about what I thought, one was slightly lower than I expected surprisingly, and one I lost out on was due to an Internet glitch, dang it. I probably would have won it judging from the sale price, but I don't know who I was competing against.
A friend told me he was blown out of the water on the couple lots he bid on, by thousands of dollars more than he thought they would sell for. A few lots were impressive in the book sale. Breen's personal encyclopedia (the one he carried to shows was full of his annotated notes on coins he had seen, (Lot #64 estimated at $5000) ended up selling for $37,500! A complete set of C4 newsletters bound estimated at $2,500 sold at $8,000, Breen's annotated Crosby estimated at $3,000 hammered at $14,000 and most lots sold for above estimates, they also had a 20% buyers fee added on the bids.
Congrats on winning at least one today!
"Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2˘ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440
Edited by westcoin 05/04/2022 10:43 pm
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I went back through the first session to look at settled amounts including the seller's 20%. I had noticed the high prices for gold cobs and royals yesterday. But what was most astonishing was the prices paid for corroded junk-grade silver cobs. 8 reales cobs with scant detail and low weight usually sell for $200-300. Yesterday they were selling for 5-10x that. For one example Lot 168, a 4R corroded Atocha salvage cob 15% underweight, estimated at $350-500, that brought $3250. It did have an certificate, so that's something I guess.
Is there some kind of a cob bubble? I'm glad I got in at the bottom of the pyramid.
"Two minutes ago I would have sold my chances for a tired dime." Fred Astaire
Edited by thq 05/05/2022 10:32 pm
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Quote: Is there some kind of a cob bubble? I'm glad I got in at the bottom of the pyramid. Pretty much anything I take an interest in goes up in price by multiples right away it seems. Except my Two Cent Pieces. Colonials and Early Coppers (large and Half Cents) have tripled or more since I started trying to obtain them, now it's colonials and coins similar like cobs, blame me.  But I do know what you mean, the prices were very strong on a lot of the treasure ship items.
"Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2˘ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440
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In the end I won two 8R cobs, within my expected price range. One is a 1729R Mexico - not a thing of beauty, but dated and near full weight. The cobs from the end of the era interest me more than the early ones.
"Two minutes ago I would have sold my chances for a tired dime." Fred Astaire
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I think some of my favorites are the Mexican, Peru and Bolivian 4 reales and 8 reales.
"Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2˘ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440
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-- Gold cobs have gone nuts. Generic Seville 2E used to be $700 coins. They're now $2000! Typical Bogota 2E are now pushing $3000?!!!
-- Atocha has pushed crazy as well. 400th anniversary is helping, but prices have steadily risen the past few years and now the booming overall market is pushing it further
-- Even basic 1715 Fleet material is crazy now
Some of Sedwick's results achieved an almost seem a bit...unbelievable (?), but the market is super strong right now.
If this isn't a bit of a bubble, I absolutely can't wait to see what is.
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I used to scoff at those signed certificates realeswatcher, but they're really adding to shipwreck cob prices right now. Not my interest. They remind me of old rusty tin can lids. I prefer a chunky badly struck late issue to any of those.
The gold cobs really are insane. I'm rereading Three Musketeers right now. Pistoles (aka gold Louis) are their money, and not far off from the 2 escudo pirate pistoles/doblons. Pirates and Musketeers are the stuff of romantic legend, and everyone wants a souvenir these days.
The best cob I ever got from Sedwick is a Potosi 1660 1/2 reale with full monogram and 2 dates. Not big and showy but such craftsmanship on display when they struck one well.
"Two minutes ago I would have sold my chances for a tired dime." Fred Astaire
Edited by thq 05/08/2022 1:13 pm
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Just ordered the book "THE PRACTICAL BOOK OF COBS, 20th Anniversary Edition" looking forward to reading it. I've only had a few articles in my archives by Frank Sedwick and a couple of others on Cob history. Need to get more familiar with them, and find the one I got many years ago out to identify.
"Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2˘ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440
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