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1960-D/D 10c RPM FS-501

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I think my 1960 mint set with a D/D penny just reached a new level. The exploration of my Roosevelt dime looks to be an RPM. What do you think?

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 Posted 05/26/2022  11:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not a RPM. Looks more like slight Machine Doubling. There is no spread of two obvious punches:
Note the listings on V.V. The RPM-001 (South) and the FS-501 (RPM-003 East)are two different dies.
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 Posted 05/26/2022  12:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SoundBeing to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It literally looks, in person, exactly like the visuals I see on the PGGS website. I can't really get it in the photos but there is a line in the D that divides the two punches.
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 Posted 05/26/2022  12:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here is what you are missing. Seeing them side by side:
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Take another look.
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 Posted 05/26/2022  2:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SoundBeing to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Coop, you are an incredible talent, my friend.
Here's what I came up with, and you're right, that dot on the end does not exist on my coin.


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If a mint mark can be the only thing on the coin that is showing doubling, then sure, it very likely is MD. I hope it is not. It's like 2 D's on top of one another only the one behind is slightly lower and to the right. Both seem pretty chunky and the whole mark is overall very full and out of place looking.
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 Posted 05/26/2022  3:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SoundBeing to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I guess this is the most likely if it is not just MD.
http://varietyvista.com/07%20Roosev...0DRPM002.htm
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What is that dot on the east side of the mintmark? That is the first punch of the process that the worker felt was too close of the design or the second punch was the final area to be punched. On the FS-501 that is part of one of the punching. The location is the second location. So this is an example of a RPM. So with out that mark on the east side of the mintmark, it is not that die number. The central area of the RPM has worn off the die, or was polished off. That is what we see on the inside of the inset image, but don't see on the other images. The East area is seen on the examples of that die. Also the location of the mintmark is also key. If it is not in the correct location, it is not RPM number or is a normal coin.

CoopHome: What must be present to be a RPM that is legit?
See images above on this thread to see the discussion point.
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 Posted 05/28/2022  10:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SoundBeing to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@Coop

I purchased a USB microscope. Here's the best image yet. Thanks for your help and insight.
Shouldn't there be others like this? Like, millions of them?

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 Posted 05/28/2022  11:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SoundBeing to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Or is it that maybe this is damage where the D was struck and slid after the coin was struck? Def looks like MD this close.
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Most areas are coin damage. It may have been altered. If so, it might be a silver melt coin now.
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 Posted 05/31/2022  01:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SoundBeing to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't think it would have been altered. It's been sealed in a Mint Set. It's actually a really nice coin overall.
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They get altered there also:
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 Posted 06/02/2022  02:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SoundBeing to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I've seen you mention these types of markings before. In those cases, does that add a premium? Or is that considered damage as well?
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The USB microscope picture shows perfectly that this is Machine Doubling. Note the flat, shelf-like doubled region and the way the width of the device is reduced by the doubling rather than widened. As for your question about whether or not only the mint mark can show doubling, the answer is yes for coins minted 1989 and earlier, since mint marks were added separately by hand. That's exactly what an RPM is.
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My vote is MD.
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