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Two Ancient Greek Staters Of Akarnania

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Two helmeted Athenas that I picked up from Corinthian area of Akarnania. Not so sure about references and attribution. Any help and thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks!

AKARNANIA. Anaktorion. Circa 320-280 BC. Stater.
Spec: 22mm silver Di Stater 8.49 grams
Obv: Pegasos flying left, koppa below
Rev: Helmeted head of Athena in good style facing left, wearing Corinthian helmet. AI behind, bulls head on tripod behind; above, ΚΛΕ; behind head, filleted bucranium; below neck, monogram of AΓ.
Ref: BCD Akarnania 86 Calciati 71

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Ancient Greece. Akarnania, Leukas, c. 345-307 BC. Silver stater.
Obv: Helmeted head of Athena right; amphora with grapes and "A" behind
Rev: Pegasus flying left, pellet below.
Spec: 20.5 mm, 8.14 g.
Ref: Pegasi II 128v.
Prov: Purchased in Los Angeles in the mid 1960's.

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The first coin almost looks like a unicorn with a well-placed depression over the pegassus' head.
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Thank you for your kind help! I guess they are both attributed to Akarnania.
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THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat."
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@numis, these are a couple of very nice pick-ups, with classic images front and back. The first one is particularly pleasing to me, perhaps due to more remaining detail. Any thoughts on whether the details of the obv of the second coin might have been lightly tooled? I'm definitely not an expert, but some details seem very worn, while others are quite sharp.
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I'm not really sure. Certainly the coin's surfaces are more pitted in the second coin but if did not detract from eye appeal to me. I'll leave the determination about tooling to others who have a keener eye than I do about that sort of thing. Also wondering if there is lettering above the crown of the helmet. I think I see a "V" at least but that may be an optical deception.
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Hmm that is a good question. There is the AN behind the helmet and I see what you are talking about up on the rim between 10 and 11 o'clock. I'm not finding other examples with any inscription up there on acsearch though.
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These were often overstruck. You may be seeing the remnants of a legend from an under type.
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Thanks Spence & Bob.

The dealer had Di Stater in the description of the first coin but it may have been Di Drachm [= 1 Stater]. Given the weight of the coin it seems like stater is the right denomination.
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THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat."
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One of these came in. As mentioned before, the dealer labeled it as a Di Stater which doesn't seem supported by the weight and should likely be Di Drachm.

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IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS
THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat."
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