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I Need Help I'm Sure It's A Constellation Not Can't Seem To Find Which One It Is?

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 Posted 05/29/2022  6:10 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Spencerj72 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers

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 Posted 05/29/2022  8:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jacrispies to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I tried to identify it, but to no success. The date is clearly 183-. Buy genuine coins, don't just assume everything is the rarity. Please please please do your research. This one is obvious.
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Appreciate that jrcrispies trust me when I say I didn't set out to purchase this piece it actually came in a group of draped cents I purchased a while back. I actually just ran a cross it tonight and thought I would see if anyone might could identify it.
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Appreciate that jrcrispies trust me when I say I didn't set out to purchase this piece it actually came in a group of draped cents I purchased a while back. I actually just ran a cross it tonight and thought I would see if anyone might could identify it. Also I'm pretty sure the date is 783 could be wrong on that but that date would match to the constellation coins. Oh and atop that side it actually says constellation I know it's hard to see but that's what it says.
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 Posted 05/29/2022  9:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kbbpll to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
How about diameter and weight - you know, the basics. The date is nowhere near the correct size and location to be a Nova Constellatio. I can't even think of any US copper coin with the purported date that far above the rim.
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 Posted 05/30/2022  05:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add lcutler to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nothing here resembles a Nova Constellatio. Might be a foreign coin or some kind of token. There were many varieties of hard times tokens in the 1830's, I'd start there.
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05/30/2022 05:43 am
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 Posted 05/30/2022  06:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Solo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Mr. Spencerj72
After 5 hours searching this informations what I got.

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Source of the image and descriptions belong to https://www.ancientcoinsandcollecti...t-33-low-19/

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I will give some picture soon after working hour.

And I believe it's not Pareidolia because what I build here connect each other, and we still have a clue. Date, star/flower and some letter, and of course the material (i guess it's bronze).

Although I don't have information about the diameter and weight.

I just try to search what coins was made in 1837 with bronze material.

i'll post the image soon. Maybe about 14 image so anyone here may give their advice too.

Have a nice day.

Edited by Solo
05/30/2022 08:47 am
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Looks like Solo nailed it here. Nice research, Spot on with all needed evidence.
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 Posted 05/30/2022  12:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jacrispies to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Fantastic work Solo, I will have to agree with your assessment.
Suffering from bust half fever.
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 Posted 05/30/2022  5:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add lcutler to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There you go, now that is a match!
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 Posted 05/30/2022  9:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Solo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
As I promise, this is the image how the rebuild process.
Horse part:

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The Horse part seem clear to me.

Solo
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05/31/2022 08:07 am
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 Posted 05/30/2022  9:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Solo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
And here's the tranformation of the Tortoise.

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But this part still remain a couple things to consider.

note: dear admin CCF, if I posted to much image please delete some. my apologize.
I just want to try give information as clear as I can do.

Solo
Edited by Solo
05/31/2022 08:09 am
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 Posted 05/30/2022  9:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Solo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here's the other Tortoise image from different way.

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The problem is, if I match it with the date, it will doesn't fit from the planchet, the letter, flower and the tortoise.

But, if I do as the first tortoise image it didn't match with the date.

What I think of it is:
1. LDS, so the date has move down.
2. It's some kind double struck on planchet?


Any thought from all of you, to make it more clear and make senses what exactly happened to our tortoise friends?

Solo
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 Posted 05/30/2022  10:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jacrispies to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Extreme corrosion, and possibly fire damage that bubbles the surface.
Suffering from bust half fever.
Want to learn how to attribute early half dollars by die variety? Click Here: http://goccf.com/t/434955
Shoot me a PM if you are looking to sell bust halves.
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 Posted 05/31/2022  02:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Solo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Make sense Mr. jacrispies.

One of Extreme damage or corrosion is by the heat.
Bronze material had a fast reaction on heat and chemical.

Solo
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